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As an author of books, I can tell you this just prevents me and other authors from creating new books.

I dare you to take the same position about not paying workers for any other career. Who pays you? Should they be able to take your work without paying you or your company?



> I dare you to take the same position about not paying workers for any other career.

Everyone deserves to get paid for their work. Once.

Past that requires a bargain with the public.

The bargain was that the public would yield their rights for 14 years, for works that promoted the progress of science and the useful arts. The public could gift another 14 years to the creator.

The bargain has been altered. Prayers to not alter it further are never answered.

More and more years have been taken from public - almost entirely without the public's consent, typically as quietly as possible and always in response to piles of campaign cash from massive IP interests.

And if it were creators that were the ~sole (or even primary) beneficiaries of purchased and ever-ratcheting copyright extensions, maybe the public would be willing to forgive the immoral methods used to arrive here.

But creators didn't buy modern IP laws and most of that wealth is not flowing into creator's pockets. If we're looking for bad behavior to be angry at, there are a lot of deserving recipients.

I'd even argue that some blame should go to creators that remained silent while corrupt copyright laws were purchased in their names.


> Everyone deserves to get paid for their work. Once.

Interesting way to look at it. If you write a piece of software should you only get a single sale and then it be free for use by the entire world?


   >> Everyone deserves to get paid for their work. Once.
> Interesting way to look at it. If you write a piece of software should you only get a single sale and then it be free for use by the entire world?

I'll restore the context you omitted.

    >> Everyone deserves to get paid for their work. Once.

    >> Past that requires a bargain with the public.
After I write code, my client pays me as agreed and I have received 100% of what I am entitled to. That's how labor and wages work.

Someone else can write the same code and sell that labor to their clients and get the same result. This is good and holy and what is right with the world.

If I want to write code and deny every other person possible their right to develop and deploy that tool - Ok, well, there's a good chance I can't.

   The plain and obvious nature of computer instructions puts a lot of healthy limits on whether code can be copyrighted. Not enough and like everything tied to copyright it's a convoluted mess of industry-built pitfalls.
But say I work all that out. If I want to force the public to gift me the protection I get - by denying the public their natural right - I have to enter into a bargain with the public.

As far as it relies on purchased copyright law, it will be a corrupt bargain. But the bargain does have to exist.


Proponents of free software would agree. In addition, from the programmer's point of view this is usually how things work (unless they own the startup, the equivalent of self-publishing). And for most products that actively gain new users, there is continuous work being put into adding new features and maintenance. So in my mind, this is not a perfect analogy.


What does "once" mean here? Book sellers use a business model where the cost of creation is split between all of the purchasers. If "once" means that piracy can begin after the first sale, well, that first sale is going to cost a fortune or the book won't be created.


> What does "once" mean here? Book sellers...

Let's go back to the goalposts.

> I dare you to take the same position about not paying workers for any other career.

You asked about not paying workers for any other career. They work once, they get paid once. That's the nature of labor.

If you're now asking about onerous agreements within some purposefully convoluted industry then you are remolding the question into a wholly different scope and at that point we have moved on.

Having moved on, we can consider the question about paying workers closed. It's been a pleasure.


So public libraries have prevented people from writing books for millennia? They've always offered free access to books.

Personally I use these services like a public library too. I buy most of the books I'm sure I want but I use public libraries and download sites alike to explore more. Once I actually dive into a book I buy it but many I don't.

Of course this depends on a honour system as you could easily download everything. But books are cheap for the amount of time you spend on them and it's a nice thing to buy.

Note: for technical books that equation can be very different and I could be more likely to download yes. Though i don't usually consume technical content in book form anyway. I tend to explore by doing and learning as I go.


Uh.... public libraries pay for their books. Then they share them with taxpayers who fund them. You may see this as "free", but your tax dollars are actually compensating the authors.


> Should they be able to take your work without paying you or your company?

If this were the beginning and end of the issue, you'd be arguing from a strong position. However, holding up theoretical harms by Z-Library (*=lost sale) while omitting the actual, massive and continual harm done against creators (against everyone really) by predatory publishers - it's cursing the puddle while ignoring the tsunami.


Predatory publishers? Please. Self publishing has never been easier. Authors can keep 100% of the revenues if they choose. The fact that they willfully sign away large percentages just reflects the reality that printing, design, editing, distribution and sales are expensive.


> Predatory publishers? Please. Self publishing has never been easier.

> The fact that they willfully sign away large percentages just reflects the reality that printing, design, editing, distribution and sales are expensive.

You can try to paint academic, research, technical and professional papers authors with that brush. I think you'll find they strongly disagree with that characterization and are fairly tired of pushing back on it.

They publish where their careers mandate. The publishers who own those journals know those authors don't have any meaningful choice. Not that that stops the flow of industry talking points and mischaracterizations.


> As an author of books, I can tell you this just prevents me and other authors from creating new books.

I am not impressed by the quality of literature I get from people who are purely fiscally motivated.


But somehow I feel like you're here to argue for the right to pay nothing for the labor of these people.

If it sucks so much, why do you care if they lock it with DRM?




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