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Snowcraft – Building a Lego Snowfort from giant Lego snow-bricks (verandavikings.com)
186 points by mikerg87 on Jan 20, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 47 comments


These can be awesome fun to build and to play in. Just a safety note...

If you build snow&ice structures, keep in mind that some can be dangerous for young kids who later come across this very compelling structure.

Especially igloo/cave/house, or other structure that can otherwise collapse atop small ones.

Even if structurally sound when built, it can change rapidly over time, due to melting, snowfall, and play.

If you can't check it frequently, to make sure that it's not in a state that can collapse and result in tragedy in a matter of minutes, then you probably want to disassemble it (and spread it out).


I believe this is why my grade 2 class in Montreal was shown this famous Quebec movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_Who_Stopped_the_War where the movie ends with a child dying in the collapsed snow fort.


US schoolchildren were shown Disney's film "Follow Me, Boys", which seems to be about a wholesome youth group, who build a dangerously unsound clubhouse... then arm themselves, to fight off government aggression.

(This formative message could explain a lot. I prefer Quebec's snow safety message.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4dHmLu07HY


Here in the Netherlands, at my school, we had to watch “Die Welle” (German title, English: “The Wave”) [0]. Where a whole school learns how easy it can be to start following Hitler 2.0 en masse.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(1981_film)



We watched that in the US as well, great movie!


Unfortunately not enough people understood that movie.


When and where? I grew up in the US and never saw that.


That YouTube clip is from 1990 broadcast TV in a major northern coastal city market (Portland, OR).

Around that time was also the Disney Channel, which many parents of young children would get for their cable TV package, for presumed kid-safe shows, and which showed many old Disney movies, including this one.

Of course not everyone has seen it, but a lot have, maybe especially in households that prioritized exposure to "family-friendly" TV/movies.


Ah, okay. When you said "schoolchildren" I interpreted that to mean that the movie was being shown in schools.


I have not heard of this. Ive also not heard a reference to Portland as major northern city. As soon as I read that I assumed US NE coast.

Why not western ?

Also when you said "us schoolchildren were shown" you are directly implying this movie was (mandatory) shown in schools which based on your reply, is not what happened.

'US children' and network TV would have sufficed for your point.

Honestly your writeup feels purposefully dramatic.


I think I should've stopped commenting after the first note about safety.


The synopsis on wikipedia seems to say the dog dies?

Which given the name “The Dog Who Stopped the War” seems likely?


No child dies in the movie:

> Marc's dog Cléo comes after her owner, and one of the fortress walls collapses, killing her. The war ends, as both sides help bury her.


I have mixed opinions about that.

It is true that there is proof of kids dying when snow caves cave in.

At the same time it is also a part of this ages overprotection of kids. Along with children not allowed to bike alone or play near a lake.


Yes, next we will be removing lead from the air and drinking water! Where does it stop?!? Life should never improve or change in any way, I say!


Fair enough. I said i had mixed opinions.

Just that I have built so many snow caves in my childhood and many of them caved in. And it left me with - lots of snow inside my clothes, which was yucky.

I have also slept in a leftover cave dug by the military. It was a couple of weeks old so the roof was significantly lower than it was from start.

One tragic accident i remember though is about some children building caves in snow banks and being run over by the plough.


One of my best college memories:

I went to school at Ohio University, which is in Athens, OH - the Southern part of the state. Snowfall was pretty rare down there, we p probably only got one good one a year.

I was also in a fraternity - a source of lots of good times and also some bad ones. But most importantly for this story, it meant that I knew about 50 different guys on campus.

In my senior year we got a pretty awesome fall of packing snow, and the house where I was living had a big parking lot as basically its backyard, which served as parking for 12-15 cars for nearby houses. Classes were cancelled.

So, that morning me and the other couple guys who lived in my house put on our best approximation of snow appropriate clothes, and went outside to the parking lot to build a fort. We starting making bricks with our recycling container, which was about the size of a 44qt storage tub. Our goal was to make an igloo big enough for a circle of about 15 of us to sit, so our first layer needed something like 30 blocks.

Time went on, and various other bros starting showing up. By the end of the day, we had 20 young dudes shoveling snow into those recycling totes. Even with that amount of workers, it was slow progress. The fort was humongous! But after working for a few hours, we had a circle about 10-12 feet in diameter with walls 4 feet high.

At that point our resolve to build an actual igloo had crumbled, and we were running out of easily accessed parking lot snow, so we compromised, and threw a big white tarp over the whole thing. Just like that, we had our giant fort, roofed over (and hey, safer too).

It was an all day job to get that far, and the rewards were worth it - we sat out in the fort with frozen asses, drinking very cold beer and filling it up with pot smoke, laughing and singing and telling stories. It was a genuinely magical few days, it felt like building that thing together had broken down some cliques and brought our group of dudes together. Almost every brother stopped by at least once.

It didn't occur to me until later that that was probably the last time in my life all the conditions would line up to build something that large out of snow. How often do you find a huge parking lot, covered in packing snow, and 20 strapping young lads with nothing better to do than listen to some nerd telling them where to put it?

Good times.


This sounds like a nice way to close out a chapter of life that will never be relived.


Sort of related, we bought for our kids when they were young a set of Brik-a-Bloks. [1]

They’re basically plastic 2x2 tiles that can be assembled into almost any structure you can think of (limited by the number of tiles you have).

They (we!) loved making forts and tunnels with them.

Just last week, one of my sons and his friends broke them out when playing nerf guns. He’s 16.

It’s such a shame they stopped making them (maybe they were too expensive). They were even hard to find when I got them several years ago. Someone should really make something like these again.

[1] https://gofatherhood.com/2010/02/review_fun_huge_building_bl...


This looks close to Quadro:

https://quadroworld.com/en


Yeah, sort of, except Brik-a-Bloks allow you to build enclosed structures, so it feels more like a fort.

But Quadro would still allow you to use sheets, etc. to complete the fort look.


Quadro has "tiles" you can use to make forts like that too. Source: my childhood.


Hmmm... 2 x 2 bricks? (Guess the Lego storage bin imposes that style brick.)

I want to see them try 2 x 4 bricks though. Much overlap.


In the last photo, there's what appears to be a red 2x4 brick mold


We do this with our recycling bins, it doesn't look like lego, but you can stack it a lot nicer than what they've got in their pictures.


I did something similar a few years back with a cardboard box I found in the park! It held up surprisingly well while I tried to build a mighty fort - but before I could start building a roof, we got too cold and I had to bring the kiddo inside.

I miss big snowfalls.


I’m really surprised the snow bricks hold together so well. I wonder what the optimal conditions are for forming snow balls/bricks/men.


Once you are done forming them you can spray them with a very thin layer of water. This will give them a nice hard icy surface that protects the sticky, crumbly snow on the inside.


The word Snowcraft just brought me back to my childhood. I loved playing the Snowcraft Shockwave game circa 2001 (?)

I found a version of it on Archive.org [1] and a mirror on Github [2] that shockingly run perfectly!

[1] https://archive.org/details/snowcraft_game [2] https://github.com/seanpm2001/Snowcraft


Reading this gave me a related idea for a 3D FDM printer that lays down water. Maybe just a floating head suspended by ropes from three different trees. Perhaps three base stations on the ground for more accurate positioning. It would only work when it was really cold out. But it would be pretty neat to play with printing some kind of crazy human-scale structure/sculpture, and not have to worry about what you're going to do with it when you're done.


Need to figure out how to keep the source of the water from freezing.


I was thinking the deposition rate would be high enough that the flow of tap water would suffice. The more important goal would seem to be getting the water to a steady colder temperature so that it freezes consistently soon after it comes out. It would be nice to be able to augment the feed with snow too. Maybe an open tank, a circulation loop to the printing head, variable valve for the tap water inlet, and then perhaps a waterfall-based heat sink and/or a boiler loop depending if the whole setup still needs to lose or gain heat.

I've also got to wonder if dribbling water would be the best type of print head, as opposed to say a pressurized nozzle that would make more of a fanned out spray.


Set your hothead to 1°?


I think if you keep it moving, you should be able to be ok.


Icebox igloo tool helps build a geodesic shaped igloo much like a 3d printer with all types of snow. https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/


Please build this, I have been hoping for someone to for decades since living in freezing Madison :)


You have a wonderful blog!


That's not how you're supposed to use lego. You're supposed to stack them up using the bumpy bits to maintain good alignment -- I wouldn't expect the fit on hand-made snow bricks to be sufficiently tight and the material to be sufficiently elastic to enable them to stick to each other (though you could get them to stick by getting some ice to form).

But it looks like the bricks themselves aren't hollow like they're supposed to be, and that they can't even be stacked to build a structure that's even remotely level or structurally sound.

Clearly this is "lego" in name only.


Is it just me or wouldn't this actually work better with a flat box than a Lego-shaped one?

Unless you're somehow driving corresponding holes into the bottoms of your bricks, what advantage do the pips on top provide? If anything, they seem like they'd make it less stable.


Not just you. Was disappointed to see the use of the 2x2 rather than a 2x3 and also no indents in the base. The structures made look precarious at best.


Great idea, but the writing style of the blog grates on my like nails on a chalkboard.


This seems very unstable and unsafe. Collapsed snow forts can kill..


It turns out children are attracted to risk, because safety is boring and evolutionarily disadvantageous when safety culture goes off the rails:

https://monstrum.dk/en/article/extinction-risky-play#:~:text....


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be careful you have referred to non-Lego produced bricks as Lego, Lego might now sue you /s

jokes aside they won't as it's good PR, they are very peculiar about how they selectively enforce their trademark in media articles


Technically speaking they provided the mold, so it's a derived product at worst, and the evidence will melt away before the lawsuit gets underway.




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