First I never said anything about web development...

That said then there is a clear disconnect between employment, and degree's

Employers often are requiring these "software engineering" degree's for basic level software development, and /or web development

That is the the point of my comment, often time people feel required to spend 10's or 100's of thousands on a degree for the sole purpose of attaining employment as a software developer.

If they are being educated in a way that does not prepare them for that job then the degree is less than worthless, and it an out right scam

> I never said anything about web development

You said software development. Self-taught software developers are very often web developers.

> Employers often are requiring these "software engineering" degree's for basic level software development, and /or web development

Suppose you're right that employers place undue emphasis on academic achievement compared to on-the-job software development experience. This would not be addressed by handing out honorary degrees wholesale.

> If they are being educated in a way that does not prepare them for that job then the degree is less than worthless, and it an out right scam

If it lets them start a software development career, it's not a waste.

Also, again, a degree in computer science is not a vocational course like a coding boot camp, it's an academic qualification. The goal is to impart a basic knowledge of a scientific field.

In my experience software engineering degrees tend to be essentially computer science degrees but with a slightly different emphasis. Of course, both are more applicable to software development than, say, a degree in biology.

Some degrees have limited non-academic application, such as philosophy, and some have non-academic application but with only very few jobs available, such as forensics. If I recall correctly, computer science and software engineering are among the top degree topics measured by average financial payoff.

Well there needs to be some kind of sea change, and my comment was just proposing some kind of workable solution to what I see in the employment market where employers have degree requirements.

most people are entering university for vocational reasons, not academic achievement. The vast majority of students are students for the sole purpose of career placement, no other reason.

The push by universities to extract as much (often tax payer funded) money pushing academic achievement, while ignoring the societal goal / desire of vocational education seems to if not the core, pretty close to the core of the problem we face with on this topic.

The idea of experience based degree's would start the shift that IMO is needed back to vocational studies and away from academic achievement

> my comment was just proposing some kind of workable solution to what I see in the employment market where employers have degree requirements

Again, it's no solution. Employers would not consider such honorary degrees to be equivalent to regular degrees.

> The vast majority of students are students for the sole purpose of career placement, no other reason.

Plenty of people study philosophy, despite having little direct applicability outside academia. That's not to say they're wasting their time and money.

> pushing academic achievement, while ignoring the societal goal / desire of vocational education

Do you mean to say there's a shortage of institutions that offer vocational training?

I'm confident you're right that they get less government funding.

> experience based degree's would start the shift that IMO is needed back to vocational studies and away from academic achievement

Academic degrees were never about vocational studies.

Vocational degrees exist, awarded by institutions which are not universities, but if I understand correctly they generally have little traction. This might not be true of every country though.

>>Employers would not consider such honorary degrees to be equivalent to regular degrees

I disgree, it is purely a checkbox for many organizations, a way to filter out people. Provided the degree is accredited it would resolve the primary issue I have with the current state of employment requirements

>>Plenty of people study philosophy

that was not my comment or statement, I am sure there are "plenty" but for more than 20 years now High Schools, parents, employers, the government, and the universities themselves has been telling students that path to vocational success is via the university system, and a 4 year degree program. Are you attempting to deny this reality?

>>Academic degrees were never about vocational studies.

Then High Schools, parents, employers, the government, and the universities need to stop selling the idea of vocational achievement via 4 year Academic study.

At some point perception becomes reality, and decades of selling Academia as de facto vocational study to the masses, has cut out and reduced actual vocational programs almost entirely from the educational landscape to the point that most K-12 schools do not even have vocational programs, it is General Education or College Prep, those are the 2 tracks, with Extreme pressure on students to go for the College Prep track.