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The former Microsoft lawyer leading this prosecution is doing Microsoft's bidding.


Wouldn't Microsoft be scared to suffer the same faith, if this were to really happen?


Microsoft doesn't want Google to control the codebase Edge is based on and doesn't want anyone to counter the MSFT + OpenAI partnership, and the DOJ is trying to hand them their wishes. Hopefully the judge rejects this overreach and rules on lawsuit scope.


preferable would be preventing google+anthropic but also breaking up ms + openai


Doubt that’s on the table unless Microsoft is also sued. Without a joint ruling this wouldn’t be balanced


Doesn't mean we

a) can't hope

b) shouldn't hope


Ideally the feds would stay out of it and let the market do its thing.


As someone who remembers a time before Google, no.

Letting "the market do its thing" only works until a few companies accumulate enough power to monopolize the market.

The last two decades have seen being the next Google transformed into being acquired by Google, which has been to the detriment of everyone.


I remember the time before google. We were all stuck IE with no competitive browsers and everyone was using Windows machines. Now we have three browsers and multiple platforms. I just bought a Chromebook plus, that can run linux apps but is easy enough for my kid to use. My wife uses windows laptop and I use a mac. We have Amazon Echos through out the house. We have 4 major players in the tech space instead of one. Apple, Google, Microsoft and Amazon.


Netscape? IE didn't become dominant until 2000+.

And those four players are more of a cartel than competitors, having agreed to mostly stay out of each other's ways.

The primary overlapping markets between them are consumptive devices and cloud services -- which I presume they're all in because they consider it strategically important enough to their other businesses to incinerate money.


Apple and Google makes phones. All of them make tablets. Microsoft and Apple make laptops. All but Apple sell cloud computing. Google, Apple and Microsoft have office suites. Apple, Amazon and Google offer paid streaming platforms. Amazon, Apple and Google All offer smart assistants. I can keep going with things like game platforms, consumer storage,streaming music. Failing to see how they stay out of each other's way or have agreements with each other. Apple and Google literally give away their office apps which is the bread butter of Microsoft,


Apple and Google don't compete on phones, because they've each intentionally built incompatible ecosystems.

See earlier comment about consumer devices.

Office suites have Google sharing an MS Office-compatible suite they purchased. Apple has MS Office on its platform. But no real competition or innovation.

Who aside from Microsoft runs a gaming platform?

What looks like open competition gets a lot narrower in overlap once you look at the details.

Which is exactly what you'd expect, if you allowed companies to get too big and too dominant: they're not dumb, so they strategically rig the game in their favor to disadvantage new entrants, while carteling with similarly sized peers to ensure everyone mostly stays out of each other's pools.


The status quo is bad for Microsoft, anything with the potential to shake it up is worth doing. And they'd get a head start.


I'm sorry, you're alleging that someone who used to work for Microsoft, but doesn't anymore, is ... well, still secretly working for Microsoft? Like, he's a spy inside the DOJ, but you've figured out his clever game? I don't understand.


A common argument is that former corporate insiders remain loyal to their former employers once in positions of authority in the government so as to obtain lucrative positions once their time in government ends. It’s also possible there are corrupt private contracts in place to entice those actions.

I’m not sure why you’re being so sarcastic as it’s not a novel idea and it’s less “figured out the clever game” and more that even the appearance of impropriety removes faith and trust in the institution.


> even the appearance of impropriety removes faith and trust in the institution.

This seems like a nuanced and reasonable take, but a rather generous interpretation of the GP comment. I think it’s reasonable for the parent comment to push back against a definitive statement laying an accusation with no evidence.


It’s a reasonable take meant to explain GPs statement and sentiment regardless of the underlying truth of his statement and pushing back on what I found to be unfounded sarcasm that added nothing to the conversation.


Interestingly, that same argument was made for Nokia and in the end seems like it was probably true in that specific case.


Old timey living or machine repair: https://www.youtube.com/live/33E_-Dfn4Io


It is useful, thanks.


At least wait till the new administration is in place before passing this damaging crap.


This is the current Democrat controlled senate attempting to pass this, its especially odd considering they're a lame duck senate


It's fairly common to see legislation that the general public will not favor be passed on a bipartisan basis by a lame duck Congress, especially when you have a large number of legislators who are no longer constrained by the need to be reelected.

The moderate Democrats and the establishment Republicans have the same donors.


Is it? Tillis is the only one I see associated with the bill. Have any Democratic senators spoken in favor of it?


That's exactly why they're doing it now.


It was proposed by a North Carolina Republican: Thom Tillis.


The Senate majority leader controls what legislation makes it to the Senate floor.

Frankly, most legislation that favors the interests of wealthy donors is bipartisan.

For instance, the legislation that rolled back the banking reforms put into place after the financial crisis during the first Trump term.

> the bill, which was years in the making, was a rare bipartisan accomplishment at a time when Congress is gridlocked on almost all major issues.

Sixteen moderate Senate Democrats helped Republicans pass the bill. It was an unusual moment of political unity that sparked a public feud in which the Democratic Party’s progressive wing went to war with its more business-friendly centrists.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/14/senate-passes-bill...


Confused, why would Republicans be against this?

Edit: Got thrown off by the comments, that makes more sense.


Considering a Republican introduced it, I don't think they are.

The strategy might be to introduce it now, and use the fact that it failed the Democratic-lead lame duck session to sell it to the people in the next Congress.


I guess the tactic is to pass it before the new Trump administration is in power.


Does this mean the Trump administration is for or against software patents?


It was proposed by Thom Tillis, a Republican who has previously defended Donald Trump: https://www.tillis.senate.gov/2023/3/tillis-statement-on-the...


Trump does not have a good track record with the appointment of Iancu:

https://techrights.org/o/2017/08/31/iancu-nomination-and-sof...

Let's hope that with Musk it's gonna be different, but I have some doubts.


Yeah maybe Musk can clue him in that they’re stupid. Hopefully he doesn’t flip to the pro side though now that he’s big enough to be the bully with the patents.


Looks like he was hacked according his Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/njwildberger


I hope he'll recover. He really makes math fun and interesting.

How can this happen? Did they get hold of his email


Least you expect from workers is to show up for work.


Please log off hacker news and get back to work.


This seems obviously wrong - the least you expect is of course for them to accomplish the goals of their position. If that requires physical presence, then obviously that's part if the deal implicitly. But for tons of jobs, that's part of the "above and beyond" bucket. I.e. things like after-hours availability, that may improve outcomes, but actually have downsides that mean they could be net negatives depending on the specific job and the specific individuals.

Aside from such executive blindness, the only other reason anybody alive still thinks of commuting and in-office work in more innocent terms is because up until very recently (generationally speaking) they were simply a physical necessity for nearly 100% of jobs, so there was nothing to be gained by dwelling on it. That changed, so the acceptance of petty suffering changed. Also, the fact that the ratio of life improvement to hard work has steadily decreased since those times motivates employees to find other means of maintaining sanity.


If it passes it will be challenged in the courts as major parts of it run afoul of the first amendment.


If anyone still takes this guy seriously it's time to reconsider.

It's unsurprising that the NYT is publishing this as they long held the attitude that the first amendment only applies to them and no one else.


Policy based on pseudoscience


Nobody gives a crap about chatgpt it's not trending on twitter or nothin hopefully this fad will die out soon


Why do these polarized low quality posts exist so often?


Is this what passes for discussion on HackerNews these days?


Evidently


What's twitter?


The collective name for what's trending right now


>hopefully this fad will die out soon

Are you talking about ChatGPT? That seems pretty delusional.


Whose life is being bettered by that thing existing other than those with direct investing interest and Nvidia stockholders of course


I use it all the time, simple example if you can't remember a word you can describe it to ChatGPT and it will respond with it.


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