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"As Snowden intended, the primary impact of the leaks was on political debate inside the United States."

I think the primary impact has been the complete erosion of whatever goodwill the United States had among the citizenry (n.b. not the governments) of her allies.

That obviously doesn't matter in the short term; but so many things don't matter in the short term.



I think the militarization of our local police forces and the tacit support of interdiction, confiscation and especially their extra-judicial killing of unarmed people has done more, but it's not an argument I want to win against your assertion at all.


Complete erosion is a huge overstatement. In fact, we are still probably better off than we were in the dark years after the Iraq invasion.


Unfortunately I think it is justified.

Don't forget James Clapper lying to congress about not spying on US citizens. I also got a video of it, https://youtu.be/9LKzAsIMUx8

Last I heard he was selling a book, not from jail.


>I think the primary impact has been the complete erosion of whatever goodwill the United States had among the citizenry (n.b. not the governments) of her allies.

The DESERVED complete erosion.

I fixed it for you.


if only Canadian leadership were likewise disgusted.




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