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Why are you moving the goalposts from your parent's point?

Yes, the middle eastern wars were a huge issue form the US, but that doesn't explain EU own goaling itself for 20+ years with terrible policies and choices, with or without helping the US in the middle east.





I am saying that for last 30 years actions of European NATO counterparts was not "undermining the relationship".

Also since 2014 there was a 10 year plan devised to get everyone to strictly follow 2% budget commitment. Which happened before you and I even heard about trump starting a presidential campaign (or even if it was there was nothing about NATO, etc). This happened (better later than never) due to ruzzian attack on eastern Ukraine and with a nudge from Obama administration.

Due to 2022 total war from ruzzia against Ukraine - I believe right now there are talks to commit up to 5% in long run, with at least up to 3.5% in next decade.

I know that Europe doesn't have great PR team, but USA is getting better and better at gaslighting (ruzzia has decades of experience in divide and conquer tactics) that Europeans are allegedly freeloading. Europe has it's problems, but it's solving them democratically, whereas USA needs to see herself in a mirror, before it's too late.

Links:

- https://www.statista.com/statistics/584088/defense-expenditu...

- https://www.nato.int/content/dam/nato/webready/documents/fin...

- https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/defe...


My understanding is that the 2% budget commitment was met or exceeded by all NATO countries only as late as 2025. The Obama administration ended in 2017.

Europeans not taking care of themselves has been "undermining the relationship".


Plan started in 2014.

Also look yourself in a mirror as a country, because by how things are going - you need to prepare yourself for concentration camp.


I see -- when you wrote "Which happened before you and I even heard about trump starting a presidential campaign..." you were referring to coming up with the plan, not meeting the target.



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