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At what point does the top brass at Flock get arrested?


For what? Under current jurisprudence collecting license plates images isn't illegal, because there's no expectation of privacy in public. They could post the information online if they wanted to and they'd be in the clear. It's fine to object to ANPR networks on the basis of "mass surveillance" or whatever, but screaming for people to be arrested without legal basis, just because you don't like what they're doing is childish and counterproductive to the conversation.


I mean, stalking is very clearly illegal.

The main issue is that we have a different set of laws that govern businesses and that govern private citizens.

If I set up a camera in a local park and programmed it to zoom into children's faces and stream it directly to my computer, I am surely going to jail.

But if I set up 100 cameras to do just that, baby, that's just business.

It's almost paradoxical. The more evil I do, the less illegal it becomes. The greater the scale of harm I inflict, the more palatable it is. It's a get out of jail free card.

Are you a psychopath? Love to kill people? Well, don't use knives or guns silly! Instead, form an LLC and give people poison. You'll kill 100x more people with 100x less consequences!


>If I set up a camera in a local park and programmed it to zoom into children's faces and stream it directly to my computer, I am surely going to jail.

[citation needed]

You might be called a creep, and you might be asked to remove the camera (because you can't leave random cameras on public property without permission), but operating cameras in public and recording stuff isn't illegal. Paparazzis do that all the time.


No, actually, how you do it matters.

If I use that information to track someone and watch them specifically, that is stalking and is illegal. I know it's illegal here in Texas.

The law is not an algorithm, it's very complex. Recording people in public is absolutely illegal in many instances.


Stalking is not illegal at all.


Stalking is very illegal in most US jurisdictions.


Maybe if you are threatening someone. But if you are just following someone in public, that is okay.


Stalking is not "just following someone".

From Stalking Prevention, Awareness, & Resource Center (SPARC): " A pattern of behavior directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to fear for the person’s safety or the safety of others; or suffer substantial emotional distress."

https://www.stalkingawareness.org/definition-faqs/


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You're probably being facetious, but aiding criminals isn't illegal unless you're knowingly doing it. Signal is known to be used by criminals, and on top their app is specifically designed to frustrate law enforcement, yet they stayed clear of lawsuits.


Not the same at all because Signal helps celebrities and very important public figures communicate securely and privately.

Flock is helping the rapists stalk their ex-wives.


"Not the same at all because Flock helps companies and public safety agencies detect and monitor crime.

Signal is helping cartels organize hits."


Everyone uses Signal to communicate privately.

Criminals use Flock to stalk public figures, celebrities, women and children.


Oh they’re buddies with all the departments. Fat chance.


They won’t under this administration. It’s owned and operated by Surveillance Valley Vulture Capitalists


Why do people avoid saying President Trump like he’s Voldemort?


Because he attained his current position by ragebaiting everyone. He’s just a puppet of the people who are really in charge (intelligence agencies and billionaires)


I appreciate the explanation.


Rather just see them get Flocked honestly. Seems like the type of tech a child would dream up only to realize when it's too late that it's dystopian, creepy, and a detriment to society.


Building the torment nexus...


By top brass do you mean the people behind this website?

> The financing was led by Andreessen Horowitz, with backing from Greenoaks Capital, Bedrock Capital. Meritech Capital, Matrix Partners, Sands Capital, Founders Fund, Kleiner Perkins, Tiger Global, and Y Combinator also participated.

https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-secures-major-...


In your dreams maybe


Should we also arrest computer co execs because computers are used to hack into things?


Let's say a computer maker created a computer specifically for hacking. They then advertised that computer to government agencies to let them hack into suspicious computers. They did not put any safeguards in place to prevent anyone from hacking anyone else, but their marketing outreach said kept insisting that they have "best in class security" and "only the appropriate agencies have access".

If that happened, then yes, they should be arrested.




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