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He’s clearly right, but shares could take a really long time before they actually come back to reality.


He's not clearly right on Nvidia. People have been saying "it's clearly overvalued" for years now. And it just keeps growing at an insane pace and quite frankly their position in the market isn't really being eroded by anyone. There are hopes and dreams, but little real competition.


A good time to remember that Cisco was briefly the most valued company in the world: https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/24/technology/cisco-briefly-...

I met a traveller from an antique land, // Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone // Stand in the desert…


Cisco's earnings weren't growing at the same rate as Nvidia's. There is actual underlying sales and profit growth at the same rate as the stock price growth in NVDA's case.


Especially if you take the view that AI is the new compute. There so many chips that need to get upgraded Thats maybe one of the largest TAMs of all time that hasn't even been touched at this point.


And Nvidia is going to own the whole thing, forever?


Given how fucked it’s competition is and how the delta between CUDA/NCCL and everything else like rocm/zulda has only grown yeah, Nvidia will own the whole thing for minimum 10 years.

Everyone who tried to compete failed hard because no one has the money, and raw talent or ability to get that talent needed to beat Nvidia at the software game.


This game is far from over and I find your prediction almost naive.


Can you provide an alternative prediction that you believe is more accurate?

> This game is far from over

Do you think a company like AMD or Intel is going to make massive gains in taking market share away from Nvidia? Or do you think it will be another company? Or something else entirely?


They always say "no, it'll be GOOGLE!" and try to bring up TPUsv6 (you still can't even play with ironwood/TPUv7 yet) as though they're competitive with blackwell let alone Reuben, as though anyone except google internal engineers get real value from them, and as though GCP doesn't have well over 1 million+ haswell/blackwell GPUs.

These same people unironically believe that Gemini was trained with zero GPUs for any part of the process (including all experiments), and it was all done on TPUs. They cite this as evidence that CUDA/Nvidia is dead.

It's stupid, it's wrong, but it's what they claim.

I'm going to be a lot wealthier than the Nvidia bears.

And if you don't believe this, just take one look at TPU pricing (remember, Trillium is TPUv6) and tell me this is competitive with Nvidia/Oracle/any neocloud with a straight face.

https://cloud.google.com/tpu/pricing?hl=en


I'd argue the Nvidia moat is the most difficult moat to understand unless one is really in the weeds using GPUs. "all you need to do is design a similar chip" seems to fit in peoples heads nicely when they are even a little ways removed from the details.


People have been talking about competing and trying to compete with the nvidia GPU/Cuda stack for almost 20 years (since the start). There have been various efforts. They have all fallen flat. Nvidia isn't standing still, the target keeps moving forward.

To suggest Nvidia will have the game to themselves for another 10 years might turn out to be wrong, but it isn't naive. You are the naive one here.


There hasn't really been any significant money in competing with cuda however. Nvidia had a bit of a gaming premium over amd, and crypto really boosted all GPUs...but until about 3 years ago, there wasn't literally trillions of dollars on the line to replace cuda. There is now. Companies ARE replicating it. The Mi300 is very competitive on token throughput as far as I'm aware.

No one is sitting around. I'd argue if there was more wafer supply you'd see amd/others undercutting nvidia...but it's hard to when supply is incredibly constrained.


>> Companies ARE replicating it.

They are trying. They are not succeeding yet. Maybe in 10 years the gap will be closed. Maybe it will not. I'll guess the latter. Nvidia's situation has changed too - the R&D $$ they have to spend to defend are dramatically higher. Nothing stands still, it's harder to catch up than it seems.


> And it just keeps growing at an insane pace

Nobody is accusing the market of behaving rationally


How short-term of a thinker do you have to be to consider Nvidia's run a long time? I blame TikTok.


Nvidia has been crushing it for 30 years.


Not really. 10 years maybe. The stock price was flat-ish from 2000 to 2015 (4x or so?) and while they did have many golden years in there, they weren't universally ahead.


You are cherry picking data to tell a lie. The company has been crushing it the entire time. The fact they their share price got taken up in the bubble of 2000 doesn't change that fact.


You are the one who needs to zoom out on the stock price graph lol




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