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[flagged] 'Phased Out'–Google Confirms Bad News for All 3B Chrome Users (forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman)
35 points by RupertWiser 58 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 19 comments


Forbes is blog-spam. Official blog-post: https://privacysandbox.com/news/update-on-plans-for-privacy-...

>We believe the proposed interoperable Attribution standard has the potential to support this objective in a privacy-preserving fashion, and we'll continue to engage on it through the web standards process in collaboration with a wide range of stakeholders including other browser makers.

>After evaluating ecosystem feedback about their expected value and in light of their low levels of adoption, we've decided to retire the following Privacy Sandbox technologies: Attribution Reporting API (Chrome and Android), IP Protection, On-Device Personalization, Private Aggregation (including Shared Storage), Protected Audience (Chrome and Android), Protected App Signals, Related Website Sets (including requestStorageAccessFor and Related Website Partition), SelectURL, SDK Runtime and Topics (Chrome and Android).


“Google’s Privacy Sandbox is officially dead” would be a better headline.


Please just make this a submission the source:

Update on Plans for Privacy Sandbox Technologies

https://privacysandbox.com/news/update-on-plans-for-privacy-...


I tried but hackernews dedupes submissions for posts. The original poster barely got attention with this source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45644530


I hope this news travels to more gen pop. My 82yo MIL uses Firefox because she’s concerned about the acceleratingly encroaching “police state”. That being said as an IT manager, it’s hard to tell my employees to incur the friction of broken Google services (Meet, a few others) for the intangible privacy benefits.


What Google services are broken on Firefox?

My anecdata is that GSuite works completely fine daily driving Firefox.


Every once in a while google meet is notably worse with firefox, or some feature is only enabled on chrome. Not a big deal.


Maps is the most frequent offender of something that is "kinda broken" on Firefox - black tiles/boxes, slowness, other things not rendering right. But on Chrome, it works fine 100% of the time.


I have used Firefox on mobile and desktop for a better part of 15 years and I cannot recall seeing black boxes or tiles on Google Maps.


None of that happens for me.


Google meet works perfectly fine for me on Firefox


And even on Safari. But there are indeed chrome-only features AFAIK.


Google genuinely built an attempt to make the web tracking free. To everyone but browsers. It's a neat attempt & I pour out libations to the attempt.

If the commentariat hadn't been so persistently snipey about Google throughout (assuming only worst faiths), maybe the broader advertising industry might not have achieved the obstructionist regulatory capture that really slammed on the brakes for doing anything different and maybe perhaps possibly better.

Instead we all get tracked forever.


Can you help me understand how Privacy Sandbox was going to make the web tracking-free?


Sure. First, what is tracking? The definition of tracking in this case would be something along the lines of being able to correlate two un-authenticated requests to different domains as coming from the user.

It was going to remove or restrict features in the web platform that can be used for both tracking and for important non-tracking tasks, and replace them with features that can't be used for tracking but can be used for achieving those tasks. In some cases it meant making sure that data that could be used for tracking was never received ambiently, but had to be requested explicitly. That's why we have the new mess with User-Agent.

You could not just remove the tracking vectors entirely with no replacement, because then you'd be breaking critical workflows that are actually needed for practical operation of websites. That is why Apple for example included a remote attestement mechanism in Safari when adding features to mask IP addresss. (Though they only permit a few of their favored partners to use that attestment mechanism, and these days are being very quiet about it hoping that nobody remembers they did this.)

So, you want to remove the possiblity of using the web API to do tracking? How do you prevent that? The Privacy Sandbox solution was to give each domain a budget of how much entropy they could extract (this is why e.g. moving from the User-Agent header including data by default to the site having to request it was supposed to make sense). In some cases they were going to remove the feature entirely, but instead have the browser achieve the same effect, and provide a verdict or attestation with so little entropy or so little consistency that it could not be used as an effective tracking vector.

It was a doomed program, but they did have good intents, and never deserved the abuse that was heaped upon them. And I will be dancing a little happy jig on the grave of their "IP protection" feature.


Google also shot itself in the foot with manifest v3 killing ublock origin. I almost liked Chrome for a while until they got rid of the only thing that made it usable for me.

I don't care if Google was trying to do something good. Good things accomplished through evil means are evil.

After all, it isn't as if Google isn't already tracking us itself, selling the data it has gleaned from us to advertisers, and then helping the advertisers specifically target us based on its insane amount of data on each of us.

So whinging about how one thing that might have been a little better died due to their evil overlords's middle managers mismanaging it is a waste of energy.


> Google also shot itself in the foot with manifest v3 killing ublock origin.

Yeah, I’m migrating away from Chrome over that.


Oh no! Another dead technology from Google!

Anyway...


So instead of a contested privacy approach they're just going full panopticon...

Good thing we didn't build a near-monoculture on this! /s

I'm going to keep using FF as long as it is reasonably workable and hopefully Ladybird comes through too.




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