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The effect of a bad policy doesn't necessarily end when the policy does. The economy has inertia so some effects, such as inflation, are self-reinforcing and need active undoing even when the policy is relaxed.


Right.

Our closest allies do not see us as a reliable partner anymore.

That's not going to change for quite some time, AFTER we start moving in a direction amenable to them again.

We are still swimming violently against the currents of our allies.


Correct. We’re not reversing things anytime soon, and the longer things stay like this, the more damage will be done.


At least on the US tariffs thing, congress can put Trump back in his box and revert to normalcy any time it wants to; the threat of stagflation might make it do that. The previous stagflation incident was more driven by outside forces.


Don't worry. Congress will take back this power as soon as a Dem is in office.


As they say in Austria, hope dies last, yet it dies as well.


If a Dem is ever back in office…


Will there be another election?


"Well, Doctor [Ben Franklin], what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

"A republic, if you can keep it"

The question I put to every individual American is: can you?


I've honestly wondered this too. But we cannot obey in advance. If they're going to try and take it from us, then there should be a fight every step of the way. That means our cynical perspectives, as right as they may be, could lead us into a self-fulfilling prophecy.


I tell myself if there weren’t going to be elections or if the admin had a sure fire way to compromise them, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to push through redistricting in every single state there’s a Republican-controlled state house/senate.


What if that is the way?

Plenty of countries have elections that are neither free nor fair. More likely Election Day suddenly ceases to occur.


Most likely, but with a predetermined outcome.


> on the US tariffs thing, congress can put Trump back in his box and revert to normalcy any time it wants to

We’ve already lost export market share. China, Russia and India have already begun building a trade bloc. FDI has already been trashed.

We’re already in for a world of hurt. And personally, I’m eager to ensure it lands disproportionately on his voters and donors.


> We’ve already lost export market share.

Probably more importantly, the US has lost trust.


> We’re already in for a world of hurt.

I fear you're right, but hope you're not.

Yes, this is wishful thinking on my part.

I don't want to wish ill on anyone.


Wishing it in the idiots who inflicted it on the rest of us feels entirely appropriate.


Pretty sure America is going to keep shooting itself in its foot in confusion.


Well... We do have a lot of guns over here! /s


I think it's likely that if there was a rapid reversal, with Congress taking away the power to mess with tariffs and making it clear that it was permanently gone, there'd be some damage, but things would largely go back to normal. Not enough time has really passed for things to change _that_ much; many of the tariffs aren't _actually_ in place yet.


> if there was a rapid reversal

I have some bad news. It's already some 8 months too late for "rapid".

> Not enough time has really passed for things to change _that_ much

Here in Brazil we are in a mini economic boom because every single country is willing to pay a premium on anything that didn't come from the US. The EU is shutting up internal racist and protectionist dissidents (strong on their 2 largest economies) so that they can diversify from you. Most of the world is discussing independent payment systems... Nato countries are organizing to defend against the US and China and Russia are promising military protection to Latin America.

I wonder if things changed that fast when WWI started, but it absolutely never changed that fast in my lifetime.


> from you

I'm European, not American. I think that if given strong guarantees that Trump had been declawed, the EC would be happy enough to return to prior arrangements (though probably move ahead with the Mercosur deal and other trade treaties at an accelerated pace, granted).


The world has seen how unreliable the US is. Its not even just the tarrifs, its the tarrifs applied at random, based on how happy the Don is. The world has seen the "checks and balances" don't exist, a populist leader can do whatever they want for any reason and has no accountability.

The horse has bolted, you can't ctrl-z this.


In this case, there are laws which he claims allow him to do what he's doing (some disagree, and that's moving through the courts, though with the current Supreme Court who knows). Those laws _can be revoked_, though. The meme that congress is powerless against him is not really entirely correct.


The supereme court seems quite happy to do whatever the president wants through the one-two punch of fake emergency declarations and shadow docket decisions...


And personally, I’m eager to ensure it lands disproportionately on his voters and donors.

That would certainly be nice, but we're all in the boat together. There is no safe haven when idiots are in charge.

But you see, dogs and cats were being eaten, and the other lady cackled too much...




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