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I agree. That doesn't make the bombing of Tokyo and Dresden moral acts. War is atrocious by definition.

What is different this time is that most of the west has forgotten what it actually means to be at war and they pontificate from their armchair.

Combine that with the fact that it is generally easier to have empathy for the side that you perceive to be the victim or on the side of justice, and most people truly cannot comprehend how so many Israelis would support their right wing war policies.

I don't think one has to justify the killing of innocent civilians in order to at least try to put themselves in the shoes of people who have been born in Israel and have lived their lives punctuated by the fear of their family or friend being blown up in a bus bombing.

Most people in the west will just not entertain the thought exercise. They'll just dismiss it as "well they invaded Palestine and stole their land", as if this is a justification for suicide bomb attacks or raining rockets over Israeli cities.

I think our collective inability to accept the situation on the ground and push for a compromise is fueling the violence.

Hamas has a strategy where they can leverage their population acceptance of martyrdom in order to gain more and more victim points in their master PR strategy.

Israel feels more and more isolated internationally and they react by giving everybody a big F U and doubling down on their own extremism.

I often hear "Jews should just go back to Europe" as if that is an actual solution.

I believe that if this was any other conflict that didn't involve Jews (e.g. Turks and Kurds) most people would be cheering for peace or they'd be indifferent.

But this conflict has the right mix of inflaming ingredients. There is white colonial guilt and guilt of racism, there is the association of Jews with global capitalism, and associating Jews as "being white".

To be clear, my take is not that since there are other wars like in Sudan, Israel can do whatever they want. All wars should end and every day they continue is a tragedy.

My point is that if one wants to help bring this conflict to an end, one should not put Israel in an impossible position and demand that they simply cease to exist because they "are not native to the land" or similar arguments that people make nowadays.

It's much more effective to pressure Israel to avoid war atrocities if one understands their point of view, their condition and what it means to be under existential threat.

In order to do that you don't have to deny the same to Palestinians.

For some reason most people seem to only reason by taking one side



Most voices are not calling for Israel to dissolve and have its Jewish residents "move to Europe".


This is the number one demand of Palestinians and the Iran axis in general.


I think the number one demand from Palestinians at the moment is that food gets in and the bombs stop falling.


That's true now in Gaza, sure. But before 10/7, 85%+ of Gazans were in favor of killing Israeli civilians in Israel as a general policy.




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