Used it for years, it is great. Webxdc apps work in both android and desktop clients (not sure about iOS) so I can play chess, share calendars and to do lists, and even collaboratively edit documents, all by email, all privately.
Anyone who hasn't tried it really ought to.
To the haters talking about PGP: giving your entire social graph to Meta or even Signal is considerably worse.
Signal does not have access to your social graph[1].
(Delta Chat markedly does leak your social graph, because it's email and email has no way to protect sender metadata from each user's email provider. That means full social graph recovery is one low-effort subpoena away in your attacker's municipality of choice.)
Besides the fact that hating on PGP is like hating on TLS. It's a spec and a container for just about anything you want to do. gnupg (the thing most people have come to dislike) isn't even spec compliant anymore and was always a power user tool not something most users should actually touch anyway
How is the latency? All mainstream chat apps have low-enough latency that a live conversation feels fluid and natural, whereas I frequently encounter situations where I have to wait up to five or ten seconds for an email to come through. That kind of latency would kill the experience IMO.
> I’ve tested Delta Chat with my own mail server, which uses Postfix and has everything configured for public e-mail, like DKIM signing, spamd, IP blocklist checks and so on, and each message took about 2 seconds from one device to another. Using a public server it sure feels below 300ms, so there is room for improvement when self-hosting a dedicated chatserver.
In my test, both clients were ~80ms away from the IMAP server, but the server was delivering to itself. I’m also not sure if the port 587 has an idle/keepalive mechanism, or if it has to go around the entire TLS handshake at each message.
I don’t think 2 seconds is bad, most of my contacts will take at least triple that to read and type in an answer, so not a big deal.
in my experience the "latency" for a person to reply to a message is always higher than the latency for a message to arrive. in fact, some latency is good. gives you a break to think.
> giving your entire social graph to Meta or even Signal
1) Signal does not have your social graph
2) you are not required to give the app access to your contacts
Stop spreading this misinformation, it is only making it harder to get people onto secure messaging systems. You need two people using secure systems to communicate and the result of all this horseshit is a bunch of armchair experts who haven't bothered to look into the actual security of the app making strong confident statements. Just stop.
Even if it had half the issues people pretend it does let's be honest, my grandma can use signal. That's a fuck ton better than most of the alternatives out there. Frankly, that's what 99% of people need, the app that everyone can use. Not the app that some techie says is trivial...
Side note) Comparing Signal to WhatsApp is wildly disingenuous.
Side side note) there's a 30 yo pgp hack. If you reply to a gpg email with "could not decrypt" you'll get back the email in clear text. (Joke is older than the average HN user)
Anyone who hasn't tried it really ought to.
To the haters talking about PGP: giving your entire social graph to Meta or even Signal is considerably worse.