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Dyke March New York City has banned Zionists this year. Organizers can’t agree on what that means.

https://19thnews.org/2025/05/dyke-march-2025-new-york-city-z...



Far from being hard to understand Zionists in this sense is not all Jews but those that support the actions of Israel in the latest conflict because of the impact on the Palestinian civilian population. I agree there is a lot of equivocation in that article though but it mostly seems to be from people that wish to soft-soap the on-going war crimes Israel is committing rather than anyone genuinely being confused by the term. Basically one side is saying 'hey we don't want people that in our eyes support genocide taking part' and the other side is ignoring that and saying 'uWu we just want a Jewish state to exists but don't look at what the only extant state is actually doing'.


Zionism has a definition.

political support for the creation and development of a Jewish homeland in Israel https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/Zionism

Historically the majority of jewish people fall into this definition.

So off the bat you creating your own incorrect definition proves it IS hard to understand what a ban on 'Zionists' mean. You've called me a liar for no reason previously so I won't bother responding to you beyond pointing out how flawed your starting premise is.


You said the organizers couldn't agree on what it means. I'm just stating that doesn't seem to be true and I didn't give my definition of Zionism but what it seemed to be based on the article. Finally I used the words 'in this sense' to recognise that it was a particular, local definition. Quoting a dictionary definition doesn't change the fact that words in it can have very different meanings in different contexts. So your attack on my premise is flawed.


You gave a definition of Zionism that doesn’t match its actual, established meaning. Now you’re trying to justify redefining words by niche subgroups as not being confusing.

If the organizers of the event have chosen a different definition than the one that most Jewish (and non-Jewish) attendees would reasonably expect it's a recipe for confusion and exclusion. Dismissing those who use the correct definition as irrelevant is wild. You deny their legitimacy so a political agenda can take center stage. Redefining words, excluding people, it's all super gross and 1984 AF.

You’re still wrong, and your attempt to reframe this only reinforces the article’s point. Redefining terms like Zionism confuses and erases people who actually use them in their accepted sense. Using redefined words to ban/prohibit people is gross. Especially when under it's 'plain reading' the ban is effectively a ban on the majority of Jewish people. Defending it is gross. The burden is on event organizers to communicate effectively, and that burden includes using words common/standard definitions not Orwellian redefinitions done purely to politicize a word.


Creating a Jewish ethnostate in Israel means kicking out everyone who isn't Jewish, or at least keeping their levels low enough they don't have any political influence, which pretty much means doing the things Israel is doing. I don't think these are significantly different definitions.


Israel has a 20% Arab population so your first sentence makes no sense, they did not in fact 'kick out everyone who isn't jewish' and shows your comment has zero basis in reality but is instead purely propaganda.

However, the surrounding Muslim theocratic states have basically zero jews left. The majority of Israelis' are Mizrahi jewish refugees that were pushed out of the surrounding theocratic Muslim states.




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