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> Things really feel like a melting pot at the moment, with so much pent up anger amongst people who actually lead pretty decent lives.

One of the reasons that many people voted for Trump, is nihilism. The real belief that Trump is the one most likely to burn the ‘system’ to the ground. That is the brightest hope some voters have.



Please put more effort into understanding people's issues with the system as it stands today.

And please understand that virtually no one wants to leave a burned-out wreckage on a desolate hellscape. Everyone fancies themselves Shiva, or a phoenix, or whatever cultural imagery makes sense to you.


I know this is a sensitive topic. I am sorry it bothers you.

The sadder truth is, that I say what I say - AFTER having already applied your advice. I have spoken to strangers, reached out to see what they think. I spend the time to understand the many subcultures people are not parts of.

Go look at what is showing up in streamer feeds.

Talk to people, and when a 20 year old tells you “yeah bitcoin is great, because I have no hopes. So even if it goes to the shitter, how much worse can I be.”, you will see that people are truly happy to see things go to hell.

I do wish I had seen other things and had different interactions. But there is a substantial level of nihilism.

If you wish not to believe me - we’re in a thread where an insurance CEO was assassinated and the perpetrator is being hailed as a hero.


This conversation won't last much longer unless you actually listen.

People are hailing the shooter because of the resulting society they want to grow out of this, not because of some shallow death-drive diagnosis by an aspiring armchair psychologist.


I mean this genuinely. I believe you are being earnest.

Why do you have a strangle hold on meaning, and not what people themselves are saying ?

You seem to be rejecting observed reality, while accusing me of not listening.

Perhaps your objection isn’t clear?


I don't think anything is unclear. You assert that people only want destruction and that they disregard what comes after. I disagree, your opinion is disrespectful to the human spirit and indeed implies you see people as subhuman, acting purely on a musky animal instinct with no regard for the future. I am saying that the vast majority of those expressing glee in the shooter's actions aren't stupid, they know what they want to grow out of the ashes.

What "observed reality" are you even referring to? In the end all we're doing is speculative mass-psychoanalysis. Something tells me you don't quite know what you're even saying...




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