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We forget that there was at least a decade of several "Google killers" a year [1]. It's a graveyeard. That was 2009 too. The volume slowed down but people are still trying (and failing) [2].

Microsoft has of course tried but Bing is only really propped up by Microsoft's deep pockets. It's not a profitable enterprise (AFAIK). And this is with Microsoft using every trick they can to bypass EU and US consent decrees and legislation to trick users into Bing. Microsoft has poured billions into Bing.

Apple rejected Google Maps and launched their own Maps product in 2012. Obviously they consider this core to their business so I get it. But even with Apple's resources, it's taken more than a decade for Apple Maps to reach some parity with Google Maps.

It's really hard for a goose to lay a second golden egg. With Microsoft, it's their Windows/Office monopoly. With Apple it's the iPhone. Google is an outlier among outlier because they do have several golden eggs but one is much bigger than all the others (ie search).

Think about it. If Apple makes $300 billion in revenue selling iPhones (made up number), how would as an internal leader try and build a search engine? The iPhone will always take absolute priority, mainly because your search engine is such a drop in the revenue bucket. But without these resources and this priority it'll never grow big. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Sometimes just throwing money at a problem just isn't enough.

[1]: https://technologizer.com/2009/05/19/a-brief-history-of-goog...

[2]: https://searchengineland.com/neeva-shutting-down-427384



You can't seriously bring 2009 as a proof the situation now is the same. In Internet terms, it's like arguing current politics with examples of the time of Charlemagne.


How a search engine looks hasn't fundamentally changed since then. I'd argue the same about other products, like phones, excel, word, or operating systems like Windows. Yes, the newest versions of these have more sophistication than earlier iterations, but they are just extensions of the original basic idea. Sure the iPhone 15's camera is way better than the original iPhone's, but it's still a phone with a camera and a maps app.

Also, states are different than they used to be, but there is still a lot to learn from history, and you often see that similar struggles get fought over and over, or similar mistakes get made. Verdun has been a major battleground in WW1 because that's where Charlemagne's legacy got split up. As another example of a phrase still relevant today, there is "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_tur...


Well search engines were actually useful back in those days and there was room for competition.


> [Bing]'s not a profitable enterprise

It makes $10+B per year, pennies next to Google of course, but non-negligible. https://backlinko.com/bing-users#


That's a revenue number, not profit. Also the linked article says $6.24B AFAICT.


If you scroll down a bit you could fine this

> In the 2023 fiscal year (ends on June 30), Microsoft reported $12.2 billion in search and news advertising.

Agree it is important to note this is not net, net seems to be about half according to article.


> We forget that there was at least a decade of several "Google killers" a year [1]. It's a graveyard.

Yes, that's called a monopoly.


> Google is an outlier among outlier because they do have several golden eggs but one is much bigger than all the others

What "golden egg" do Google have besides an ad-selling business? Last time I looked into it ads of various forms accounted for basically all of their revenue, somewhere around 85% or more.


>What "golden egg" do Google have besides an ad-selling business?

Google search, Maps, and GMail are the big 3 web services. These don't bring in revenue all by themselves, but they bring users to look at ads which is where they make all their money. There's also Chrome (directs people to Google services and facilitates their use of those services). Finally, there's Android, which is a little different but like Apple, they get revenue from the Play Store on it, and again push users to use their own search engine and browser.


> These don't bring in revenue all by themselves Thus they're not eggs at all, either golden or otherwise

> but they bring users to look at ads which is where they make all their money Ad sales is their golden egg. Practically everything else is an egg truck to sell that one thing.


They're absolutely golden eggs, they just don't bring in revenue directly the way other products do.

Ads by themselves aren't a golden egg. Users don't want to look at ads, and certainly aren't going to pay for them. That's why they came up with those other products, to sell ads to advertisers.

It's just like newspapers: historically successful papers like the NYT didn't get rich by doing great journalism and selling papers to people, they got rich selling ads, with the journalism being a way to get people to subscribe to the paper.


You're making the mistake of thinking the pair of eyeballs viewing the ad is the customer/user in this.

The pair of eyeballs are an integral part of the ad product that is sold to customers who buy ad spots.

Cows don't want to be eaten but burgers are absolutely McDonalds golden egg.


Yeah, less golden eggs, and more golden funnels (Chrome, Android).


Youtube, gmail, photos, etc etc etc - absolutely everything consumer facing is a channel for the ad business.

The only potential outlier is the cloud stuff, but even then I think it's essentially a 'economies of scale' thing, for the same reason Amazon started AWS, rather than a real revenue centre.


Fascinating links, I had almost forgotten about these engines.


> It's really hard for a goose to lay a second golden egg. With Microsoft, it's their Windows/Office monopoly. With Apple it's the iPhone. Google is an outlier among outlier because they do have several golden eggs but one is much bigger than all the others (ie search).

No, in fact, Azure's revenue is higher than that of Windows and Office combined [1]. Microsoft is far more diversified than Google is. Google has been trying for a decade to achieve Microsoft's diversification and has not succeeded (Bard being the latest such failure).

[1]: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/microsofts-revenue-by-produ...


The big difference is that at that point of time Google search used to be really good but now Google search is really bad so if there is a chance for another competitor in the market, that time is now.


IMHO that’s mainly because the modern open/public internet kind of sucks. The ratio of content to garbage is extremely bad


Maybe. I recall searching the heck out stuff from 2000-2004 for CompSci looking for solutions to homework problems in code. There were a lot of spam sites.


Circular problem I think, considering a lot of the garbage is a product of SEO and exists solely to game Google’s increasingly poor ranking algorithm.


Yeah Bing really isn't bad. And LLMs are basically search engines for most use cases.

I think Mozilla should just run an ad auction to choose the search engine. Bing/MS would pay to capture market share, and Google would pay to prevent Bing from gaining ground.

So let them fight it out.


> I think Mozilla should just run an ad auction to choose the search engine

This is not exactly what’s happening? Google is just willing to pay more.


An exclusive deal is different from an auction.




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