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If it is indeed true, it's worth seriously analyzing why they didn't feel they could make a business case for a low-priced EV.

In the US, Tesla was probably best positioned to make this work considering their margins and scale.

It's obviously not impossible to do as demonstrated by Chinese OEMs, but would be interested to know if there are other factors specific to Western markets that make this difficult to achieve.



I would be curious to know as well. One possibility could be fear of cannibalization. Other than decrease range on the budget cars and possibly enable FSD for free on premium models, there may not be much Tesla can do to distinguish its budget line from more premium cars.

I am also curious to know what impact a large number of lower range budget cars would have on the charging network. I would definitely be upset if I bought a $60k Tesla only to find the chargers constantly taken up by people who bought $25k cars with limited range.

It could also be that Tesla does not have the quality control to make a lower-margin car possible. Warranty claims and service costs could eat up any profit made in this segment very quickly, especially if consumers do not buy add-ons such as FSD.


> It's obviously not impossible to do as demonstrated by Chinese OEMs

Correct, but these Chinese OEMs have also demonstrated that it is effectively impossible to go head-to-head with them and compete on cost and scale. There's nothing Tesla can bring to the table on the low end that BYD can't do 10x better and quicker.


Thus the finger on the scale in the form of buyer tax breaks and import tariffs. Tesla, like most American companies, is a welfare queen.


Then what are Chinese companies that are owned by the Chinese state?

The whole paradigm of tax break sucking welfare queen loses all meaning when you're talking about the kind of corporate/government incest they you're looking at with Chinese companies.


The difference is that in China the state owns these companies, whether in part or entirely. In the USA these companies get public funding but the public gets nothing in return.


You're implying that the Chinese people get a better deal out of their social contract with the Chinese state than the American people get with theirs?

That's gonna be a 'press x to doubt' from me dawg.


I'm implying that Chinese people get a better deal out of state investment into auto companies that American get from theirs.


I don't think that's a reasonable claim.

I think that the American people have benefited tremendously from the flawed investment that the government has made in the auto industry over it's entire existence more than the Chinese people have benefited from the Chinese investment in their auto industry.

The American auto industry plays a huge role in the power that America wields around the world today, and is the corner stone of the American economy as it exists now.


It’s up to voters whether they want to subsidize war-machine manufacturing in China (which is what vehicle building capabilities are for real politik). China subsidized their entire industry for this reason.


> > China subsidized their entire industry for this reason.

China is only reactive, insane ideas like solar panels being the lionshare of power generation or Electric Vehicles being the lionshare of vehicles don't come from China.

Indeed they come from the U.S. or I should say the affluent areas of big costal metropolis in the US, places where people have no real, tangible problems and can afford to think what will happen in 200 years time (when both them and their kids would be sitting 6ft under becoming food for worms) and they succumb to the so called Messiah Complex


...and if China ends up accelerating worldwide EV adoption through their ambition at war-machine industry, it would be a net win for humanity.

Also, Elon Musk (with Starlink) is not a stranger to American military complex. I'm not convinced that I should get upset over Chinese carmakers getting "unfair" advantages, when America bends global trade rules all the time to protect its "national security."


I actually think the world would be better off if China succeeds with mass adoption of nuclear power more than EV usage.


> BYD can't do 10x better

Have you seen their interiors and software? :D


It’s impossible in the near term as nimby-ism pushed all relevant EV supply chains to China, thus enabling low cost EVs there.




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