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Where in the hell are you getting 10% from? Ukraine has a multi-party government and their neo-nazis don't have even a single seat in their rather large parliament.


I saw this yesterday but I do not know how accurate it is https://twitter.com/AngletonOrchids/status/15010254143865241...


My 8-10% figure is quite conservative when compared with recent polling data. The Neo-Nazi movements are popular enough that Zelenskyy had to walk back his anti-Banderite rhetoric that was a decent part of his comedic act pre-2015-ish (I have only seen a few of his comedic specials from before that year so this timeframe is a rough guess).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Attitudes_in_Uk...

>A poll conducted in early May 2021 by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation together with the Razumkov Centre's sociological service showed that 32% of citizens consider Stepan Bandera's activity as a historical figure to be positive for Ukraine, as many consider his activity negative; another 21% consider Bandera's activities as positive as they are negative. According to the poll, a positive attitude prevails in the western region of Ukraine (70%); in the central region of the state, 27% of respondents consider his activity positive, 27% consider his activity negative and 27% consider his activity both positive and negative; negative attitude prevails in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine (54% and 48% of respondents consider his activity negative for Ukraine, respectively).

>Monuments dedicated to Stepan Bandera have been constructured in a number of western Ukrainian cities, including a statue in Lviv, as well as Staryi Uhryniv, Kolomyia, Drohobych, Zalishchyky, Mykytyntsi, Uzyn, Buchach, Hrabivka, Horodenka, Staryi Sambir, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Strusiv, Truskavets, Horishniy, Velykosilky, Sambir, Velyki Mosty, Skole, Turka, Zdolbuniv,Chortkiv, Sniatyn, and in such cities and villages as Berezhany, Boryslav, Chervonohrad, Dubliany, Kamianka-Buzka, Kremenets, Mostyska, Pidvolochysk, Seredniy Bereziv, Terebovlia, Verbiv, and Volia-Zaderevatska.

>In 2010 and 2011, Bandera was named an honorary citizen of a number of western Ukrainian cities, including Khust,Nadvirna, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Kolomyia, Dolyna,Varash, Lutsk, Chervonohrad, Terebovlia, Truskavets, Radekhiv, Sokal,Stebnyk, Zhovkva,Skole, Berezhany, Sambir,Boryslav, Brody, Stryi, and Morshyn.


Term "Nazi" originally and in modern Russian [propaganda] have a different meaning. "Being Ukrainian (speaking the language, knowing the history, preserving the culture)" is equal to being "Nazi" in the eyes of Russians.

So 10% are those, who would not make compromises related to language, history and culture to have some economic or political gains.


>Term "Nazi" originally and in modern Russian [propaganda] have a different meaning.

The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews. I don't think the term "Nazi" is as different as you claim.

Please provide sources for any counterarguments you make. I welcome legitimate pushback to this polling data and the public historical claims.


> The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews

That would constitute a crime against humanity. Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation?


>Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation?

That question is a canard, US allies are generally always given a pass.

The Imperial Japanese got a slap on the wrist for mass murders in Asia during WW2 criminal trials, since they were helping destabilize China.

Ukrainian Nazi groups were given similar treatment since they were helping fight the USSR.

This is common knowledge that any observant historian can verify.

Here are some details of the horrific history of Ukrainian Banderites committing genocide against innocent Jewish civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...


TL;DR the link is about Ukrainians vs. Poles, not about Jews and/or Holocaust

Ukrainians and Poles were enthusiastically massacring each other for hundreds of years for various reasons (Catholics vs. Orthodox, serfs vs. land owners, nationalists vs. nationalists and so on). This part of history is accepted by both sides. It's true, that collateral damage included Jews sometimes. Some Eastern European Jewish historians describe it as "always choosing the wrong side". Jews were targeted for managing estates of Polish nobility, participation in establishment of Communist rule in Ukraine in 1920s, participation in establishment of Soviet rule in 1939-1941 in Western Ukraine. But they were never targeted for being Jews.


>But they were never targeted for being Jews.

I'm not sure why you are making so many ahistorical claims that are extremely easy to refute. Do you have an agenda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

>During the first year of the German occupation, the OUN urged its members to join German police units. They were trained in the use of weapons so they could assist the German SS in the murder of approximately 200,000 Volhynian Jews.

This page has links to 18 separate massacres where people in Ukraine were killed specifically because they were jews. Stop spreading disinformation and engaging in holocaust denial. The famous Simon Weisanthal even survived one of the massacres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine

>The most notorious massacre of Jews in Ukraine was at the Babi Yar ravine outside Kiev, where 33,771 Jews were killed in a single operation on 29–30 September 1941

>According to The Simon Wiesenthal Center (in January 2011) "Ukraine has, to the best of our knowledge, never conducted a single investigation of a local Nazi war criminal, let alone prosecuted a Holocaust perpetrator."


That 8-10% sounds wildly overestimated. Furthermore, neo-Nazis tend to be young males, who can't even quit the country now and are mobilised in the army, not to mention that a neo-Nazi is the type of person to die for their country(really not saying that as a positive), so the number of neo-Nazi refugees should be in the tens of people, not hundreds of thousands.


Yes, mass refugee movements are laden with problems.




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