17x according to the data you linked above is 94% reduction and growing, following vaccinated and unvaccinated people separately since January 2021.
> There is very worrisome data coming out of Israel that shows that the risk of breakthrough infections is likely to rise, as delta becomes more predominant and the efficacy of the vaccines wane.
There has been very worrisome data every week since this pandemic began. The best data we have is that vaccines are safe and effective, and they're important as part of our collective efforts to minimize harm.
To me, that's the harm done by the coronavirus, not the harm caused by the unvaccinated to the vaccinated.
> Data is increasingly showing that being vaccinated is not a guarantee that you won't wind up in the hospital, have long term symptoms, or die from the virus, especially if you are in an at risk group.
I've heard this same thing from the people I know who don't want to get vaccinated. Doesn't change my mind that a) the best data we have suggests it will decrease their overall risk factor and b) calling people stupid and evil or policing what they listen to isn't a good way to win that argument.
Just to be clear, I am not vaccine hesitant, or whatever they want to be called, in the slightest.
94% and growing is not true, it is quite the opposite that the data is showing that vaccine efficacy is growing. Lots of good data shows that the efficacy of the vaccine is lower with delta and as we get further from when the vaccine was administered the efficacy drops significantly. This is the reason we need boosters, but their effectiveness will also wane over time.
Even if the vaccine were 99% effective, if 5,000 vaccinated people were to die from Covid every year, the data suggests that the vast majority of them (if not all) are a result of those who are choosing not to be vaccinated. So it is not a stretch at all to say that the unvaccinated are killing the vaccinated.
I don't think that overstating the positive effect of the vaccine is a good strategy. Yes they are effective, yes everyone who can should get one, but that doesn't mean that the unvaccinated are't responsible when someone who is vaccinated gets sick.
Pointing out that the unvaccinated are responsible for getting the vaccinated sick, in addition to all of the strains they are putting on our society (economy, public health, etc), is a good argument in favor of mandates. I for one am glad Biden and other leaders pushing mandates are making this argument.
> There is very worrisome data coming out of Israel that shows that the risk of breakthrough infections is likely to rise, as delta becomes more predominant and the efficacy of the vaccines wane.
There has been very worrisome data every week since this pandemic began. The best data we have is that vaccines are safe and effective, and they're important as part of our collective efforts to minimize harm.
To me, that's the harm done by the coronavirus, not the harm caused by the unvaccinated to the vaccinated.
> Data is increasingly showing that being vaccinated is not a guarantee that you won't wind up in the hospital, have long term symptoms, or die from the virus, especially if you are in an at risk group.
I've heard this same thing from the people I know who don't want to get vaccinated. Doesn't change my mind that a) the best data we have suggests it will decrease their overall risk factor and b) calling people stupid and evil or policing what they listen to isn't a good way to win that argument.