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> And if blackmailing families back home becomes an issue or real fear

Threats of blackmail against families have long been a reality and a key tool the CCP uses against overseas students and businessmen.

There are 8bn people in the world, US can definitely afford to pay close scrutiny to Chinese citizens, they don’t hold a monopoly on skilled labor.

> Our only chance is winning based on speed of innovation

Advantage of speed in innovation is rendered useless when the Chinese just sit & wait while you spend billions on r&d only to steal all your IP when your ready to launch your product.



That’s not how IP works. Having access to documents but without the culture and the human capital to implement it is almost useless.

Our problem is that some entities think that speed of innovation is secondary and always takes a back seat to secrecy. That has a stifling effect on innovation, as it’s impossible to be perfectly careful, and the end result is progress stalls… which means China doesn’t steal anything because there’s nothing to steal… so they’ll just innovate stuff themselves and we’ll have nothing. What a victory!


> Having access to documents but without the culture and the human capital to implement it is almost useless.

I don't think I'd consider it "almost useless". Having source code, material compositions, trade secrets, etc is a significant step towards just outright copying your innovations and using it against you. It takes countless dollars and hours to incept the most basic building blocks of innovation. Hell, consider how much is discovered by accident.

Politely, I think it almost borders on arrogance to believe that intangibles like "culture" are required to compete. On the topic of human capital, China's already got it. They've also shown they view their human capital like human cattle.


Just look at nortel networks. Totally kneecapped by having their products stolen and then their deals.


There was good discussion about Nortel yesterday. With nice details from insiders. It’s always nice to blame somebody for local management mistakes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28656445




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