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Mozilla didn't fire Brendan Eich. He resigned of his own free will, against the Mozilla board's request that he stay. His own words and the Mozilla FAQ quoted below, I'm not just making this up. Down the following thread, Brendan suggested googling "constructive separation" -- but I'm not sure if he meant for that euphemism to apply to how he left his job at Mozilla, or to how he wanted to cancel and destroy existing happy same sex marriages in California against their consent. All of the google results have to do with marriage, not employment. Brendan, care to clarify?

As JavaScript proves, Brendan Eich never really understood the concept of equality: https://dorey.github.io/JavaScript-Equality-Table/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24127716

DonHopkins 3 months ago | on: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses ...

Eich was not forced out or fired. In fact, just the opposite: the board actually tried to get Eich to stay, but he decided to leave all on his own. Don't try to rewrite history to make an ideological point. It's all very well and unambiguously documented what really happened, and there's no excuse for you spreading that misinformation.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat...

Q: Was Brendan Eich fired?

A: No, Brendan Eich resigned. Brendan himself said:

“I have decided to resign as CEO effective April 3rd, and leave Mozilla. Our mission is bigger than any one of us, and under the present circumstances, I cannot be an effective leader. I will be taking time before I decide what to do next.”

Brendan Eich also blogged on this topic.

Q: Was Brendan Eich asked to resign by the Board?

A: No. It was Brendan’s idea to resign, and in fact, once he submitted his resignation, Board members tried to get Brendan to stay at Mozilla in another C-level role.

It's a common misconception which is a key part of the narrative that Brendan's Alt-Right Incel GamerGate supporters were doing their best to spread at the time (GamerGate was in full swing when he resigned, and the Alt-Right jumped on the issue at the expense of Mozilla), in order to help Brendan play the victim (instead of respecting Brendan's own victims and co-workers whose marriages he wanted to terminate) and make him a martyr. (Not that I think you're one of them, but they unfortunately succeeded at spreading the misconception that Brendan was fired far and wide, in the service of their cultural war.)

Edit: And do you acknowledge that Brendan wanted to cancel many same sex marriages in California? And do you agree or disagree with him that those marriages should have been canceled? Because he got what he paid for, Proposition 8 passed, and those marriages WERE canceled. Which is worse: canceling one job, or thousands of marriages?

Edit 2: It's pretty rich that Brendan would claim to be the one suffering from a hostile work environment, when he was the one who wanted to destroy the marriages of his co-workers and users. Was it too much for him to bear facing the dirty looks of his co-workers who he didn't believe deserved the same rights as he enjoyed? Bullies are always playing the victim.

Breaking apart other people's marriages sounds more like "destructive separation" to me.



This is a wonderful example of how much more effort is required to counter a false claim than to make said false claim. Thank you for putting in the effort.


That is not quite true, DonHopkins only quote about the technical details of the separation, which does not relate to the real reason of the separation. But it is telling what lead to it.


I quoted and linked to Brendan's and the Mozilla board's own words and blog postings. What better proof do you require, Brendan's long form birth certificate?

Are you saying that Brendan and the Mozilla board are liars?

What is the evidence of your conspiracy theory that Brendan and the board lied, or are you just making it up without any evidence because the facts contradict what you want to believe, and why do you support someone you claim is a liar?

You're just proving my point that Brendan's Alt-Right Incel GamerGate supporters still regularly lie to spread the baseless conspiracy theory that Brendan is the victim and a martyr, but not the people whose marriages he successfully and willfully canceled and destroyed.

So thank you for being such a wonderful example and so aptly personifying and illustrating exactly what I mean, by moving the goalposts when the facts prove you wrong, by posting yet another baseless conspiracy theory that your wanna-be martyr is actually a liar.

If you were actually against "cancel culture", then you would be much angrier at Brendan for involuntarily canceling thousands of other people's marriages against their will, than at Brendan for voluntarily canceling his own job of his own free will, yet here you are defending him by spreading lies and baseless conspiracy theories, and defending him even though you believe he's a liar.


Not sure why you are so aggressive. If you have worked for any reasonably big company you know that the official language does not necessarily matches the truth (and sometimes has 0 relation). I did not say any conspiracy, but even on the link you have attached Brendan says that you should look up the meaning of 'constructive dismissal' if I recall, that means the view you want to force on others is half truth at best.

Edit of the previous comment: "which does not *necesarily* relate to the real reason of the separation" .. ok this word was left out


Don't even bother responding. Consider my questions rhetorical. You've already more than proven my point and illustrated precisely what I mean. We all know where you're coming from, and it's crystal clear what kind of person you are and what your bigoted outdated attitudes towards LGBTQ+ people and same sex marriage are, and that you're just here to spread baseless misinformation, conspiracy theories, lies, and have a flame war. The vast majority of people here strongly and rightly disagree with you: my post was meant to counter blatant misinformation that you're just parroting and amplifying without any evidence, and it received 24 upvotes and several positive replies. Your bigoted opinions and baseless conspiracy theories simply aren't welcome here, and violate the rules of conduct. So go back to your Alt-Right Incel GamerGate web sites like Parler and Gettr and 8chan where you got your vile opinions and conspiracy theories and found other similarly small minded bigoted Neanderthals like yourself, and don't try pedaling that shit here any more. End of discussion.


I'm orders of magnitude less aggressive than Brendan Eich was in his successful attempt to destroy thousands of other people's marriages. I haven't destroyed anyone's family, but Brendan has destroyed many, on purpose.

Do you agree with Brendan that gay and lesbian people don't deserve the same rights as straight people do, and that their marriages should be canceled and prohibited, and do you believe that was not at all "aggressive" of him to have done that, so you give him a pass on his hostile behavior?

Of course you're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory that Brendan Eich conspired with the board of Mozilla to lie about the reason that he left. He says he was not fired. They say he was not fired. Apparently you believe and want other people to believe they are all liars, and you are claiming they conspired to publicly agree to official language that was not true. Yet you have absolutely no proof of that. And why are you supporting someone you believe is a liar? Pretty inconsistent of you.

You ARE a conspiracy theorist, no matter how much (and because) you believe those baseless lies for which you have zero evidence, yet you try to spread. The view that you want to force on others is nowhere near half true, it's completely false and unsupported by the facts, and internally inconsistent, and aggressively homophobic.

The best rationalization you can come up with is your wild guess that Brendan was not able to tolerate the hostile work environment at Mozilla, which is unmitigated bullshit, and you know it. But as I already pointed out: it was BRENDAN who was deeply hostile towards his co-workers and users, not just by his words, but by his ACTIONS. That's a well documented undisputed fact.

Do you have any shred of evidence that any of his co-workers tried (or even succeeded) to destroy Brendan's marriage, the way that Brendan successfully tried to destroy their marriages, and the marriages of thousands of other same sex married Californian families?

Do you have any proof that Brendan was not able to do his work because of hostility in the work environment that was in any way comparable to his own aggressively homophobic anti-gay hostility, and his intentional actions (not just his words) of canceling many gay marriages?

Why are you trying to cast him as a martyr, by parroting tired old Alt-Right Incel GamerGate lies? Is that the kind of person you are? Do you disagree with the Supreme Court but agree with Brendan Eich that gay and lesbian people deserve fewer human rights than straight people because they are wrong to be who they are and love who they love, and do you also believe that his hostility towards gays and lesbians was completely and morally justified and excusable, and should be applauded and defended, as you're trying to do?

Why are you so aggressively against cancel culture, unless it is directed at gay families? And why are you so tolerant of hostility towards gays and lesbians, while so intolerant of anger towards homophobes who actually cancel marriages, that you spread baseless conspiracy theories to justify Brendan's hostility and aggressive acts of cancelation?


I never said he was fired. I said that he was cancelled. That is a term used for pressuring someone out of a community.


Cancelation is something that happens to checks, waves, or events, but not people or groups of people. You probably mean "ostracize", "shun", "repudiate", "boycott", etc.


What is the term for legally pressuring thousands of people out of their marriages by changing the law to make them illegal, null, and void?


Excellent comment. For "constructive separation", if giving him benefit of the doubt, the relevant employment term seems to be Constructive Dismissal (or discharge or termination). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_dismissal

"when an employee resigns as a result of the employer creating a hostile work environment. Since the resignation was not truly voluntary, it is, in effect, a termination. For example, when an employer places extraordinary and unreasonable work demands on an employee to obtain their resignation, this can constitute a constructive dismissal."


What is Eich doing now?



Presumably he is desperately trying to keep his own fragile and inextricably existentially doomed straight marriage together, now that he lost his holy war and all those pesky homosexuals are busy undermining it by sinfully getting gay married legally now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/may/01...

>Gay marriage would undermine a sacred institution

>To give same-sex relationships the status of sacrament is to declare holy what Christians have traditionally viewed as sin




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