> The 'Chinese junk' meme is pretty tired at this point.
Buy the EV scooter, and put your money where your mouth is and post your progress as you use it (and only it) as a daily then. I'll gladly take back my words if you make it work. It may work temporarily and intermittently, but it's unreliability is what underscores that 'meme' to me.
> It's some basic car components, some motors and a battery, more or less.
Yes, but the notion of making it reliable is something that is simply not in the Chinese DNA of Manufacturing. Cutting corners everywhere and mass producing and saturating the Market with an inferior, albeit low priced, compromised product is what takes precedence and stealing the IP to mass produce an imitation isn't the same as developing something with your own in-house RD department and then refining and iterating as you ID problems and address them as you scale up production. Because with Chinese products once its shipped, its 'out of sight, out of mind.'
But, I don't have an EE degree so I'd like to see this challenge be met. I was however a privateer driver and mechanic in Motorsports since I was 16 until my mid 20s and spent quite a bit of my Auto career in 2 of 3 of Germany's Big 3 Manufactures in various roles onward after that--VW and BMW which are also known to be plagued with unreliable electronics. And then went to Nissan (which his what I drove/worked on all along) after that, so I know how to diagnose and wrench. A trend you should notice is how I followed the EV program development/transition of each manufacturer.
And those 'basic components' like batteries are something even Nissan Japan couldn't get right for nearly the first decade of the Leaf program and have only recently been able to achieve better reliability due to the arduous, and tireless refinement process as they were the first mover in the Industry.
I doubt anything with 4 wheels, EV and Made in China is going to make it to the US right now, and rightly so, given the current stance (which is still incredibly weak in my opinion) on the CCP.
So 2 wheels will have to do.
Clarity: I'm not a protectionist and I'm actually a staunch proponent of Free Markets, what I'm not in favour of is the CCP which is anything but Free Market.
Yeah, I'm not blowing $1k+ on something I don't need. I also don't expect the same quality to be found in a $1.5k scooter as a $15k vehicle which needs to meet a different set of testing requirements. I don't know if you've noticed, but most modern goods are engineered to be exactly as good as they need to be and no better. I don't expect I would want to keep a 1st gen EV from China or Tesla beyond the initial life of the battery pack anyway.
Aren't batteries mostly purchased from large battery mfgs now? Tesla doesn't quite make their own batteries, they partner with battery manufacturers. Because the battery pack is a major safety item, there's only so low China can go before they make something that won't get to market.
You like top quality stuff and that's great. I don't care. I'm happy to save money and buy something that is as good as I need it to be.
Buy the EV scooter, and put your money where your mouth is and post your progress as you use it (and only it) as a daily then. I'll gladly take back my words if you make it work. It may work temporarily and intermittently, but it's unreliability is what underscores that 'meme' to me.
> It's some basic car components, some motors and a battery, more or less.
Yes, but the notion of making it reliable is something that is simply not in the Chinese DNA of Manufacturing. Cutting corners everywhere and mass producing and saturating the Market with an inferior, albeit low priced, compromised product is what takes precedence and stealing the IP to mass produce an imitation isn't the same as developing something with your own in-house RD department and then refining and iterating as you ID problems and address them as you scale up production. Because with Chinese products once its shipped, its 'out of sight, out of mind.'
But, I don't have an EE degree so I'd like to see this challenge be met. I was however a privateer driver and mechanic in Motorsports since I was 16 until my mid 20s and spent quite a bit of my Auto career in 2 of 3 of Germany's Big 3 Manufactures in various roles onward after that--VW and BMW which are also known to be plagued with unreliable electronics. And then went to Nissan (which his what I drove/worked on all along) after that, so I know how to diagnose and wrench. A trend you should notice is how I followed the EV program development/transition of each manufacturer.
And those 'basic components' like batteries are something even Nissan Japan couldn't get right for nearly the first decade of the Leaf program and have only recently been able to achieve better reliability due to the arduous, and tireless refinement process as they were the first mover in the Industry.
I doubt anything with 4 wheels, EV and Made in China is going to make it to the US right now, and rightly so, given the current stance (which is still incredibly weak in my opinion) on the CCP.
So 2 wheels will have to do.
Clarity: I'm not a protectionist and I'm actually a staunch proponent of Free Markets, what I'm not in favour of is the CCP which is anything but Free Market.