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Allegedly, Europe has paid a high price for not being able to enforce a strong cooperation between Military/Government and the Tech Industry, as the US and Silicon Valley, indeed, did. https://www.npr.org/2019/11/07/776834206/the-mysterious-affa...


The big difference is that Europe is a collection of independent national governments, many of which were/are keen to independently support their own distinct domestic tech industries. The EU doesn't run the sort of big projects that dole out large amounts of govt money to tech, particularly in defence, which is notoriously partisan. France, Germany, Italy and the UK are all separately in the world top-ten defence exporters chart.


Actually UK, France, Italy, Germany, UK, Spain, and Poland are in the top 10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World's_largest_...

The problem is collaboration. Too much fragmentation and piles of bureaucracy.


I got a 500 on macbook and chrome.


Where has this been for all this time.


I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.


I couldn't imagine why not. You just to to a ticket machine and buy it, no need for a passport or anything. Enjoy - Sylt is waiting for you, and you'll be there along with a million like-minded people!


Invade bavaria instead. As "thank you" for their threat of blocking the ticket :)


> I couldn't imagine why not.

The single market. Refusing to sell to other EU citizens is very illegal.


Not illegal as far as I know.

These are almost certainly subsidized tickets, financed with taxpayer money, it is common to restrict the sales to those who pay taxes in the covered area. And I don't see how it could be illegal, it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa.


> it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa

That's literally how it works [1]. EU citizens are treated the same as local citizens in every country.

[1]: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/europe-travel-insurance/ehi...


Maybe in some dream world. Hospital visits are usually covered, but going to a GP often involves paying in cash and only getting reimbursed later at home.


In which country? My experience has been that the European health insurance card works very well and you get the same service as locals do.


AFAIK the legal way to limit subsidized tickets is that the specific "membership" required to get the subsidized fare is available to all EU citizens - for example in Warsaw we can get lower fare based holographic stamp available from the city on the basis of paying taxes in the city - i.e. it doesn't matter what passport you hold, it matters that your tax residency is in Warsaw.

And healthcare operates by your local health system reimbursing the system in country you were visiting - you need to have European Health Insurance Card on you, from your healthcare provider, which helps route the payments appropriately.


It is still a good question, because there are often special conditions to these kinds of offer.

For example, in Paris, some "all zones" tickets are only available to residents (pass Navigo). The Japanese "Japan Rail Pass" is only available to tourists, and the "Interrail" pass is complicated: you have to reside in Europe but you can only use it in your own country for a single round trip.


Pack the Schultenbräu! Sylt, it's on!


The tickets aren't personalized (some regular monthly passes for public transport are/were though), so you should be fine. Since they aren't personalized and there is no way to check who the owner actually is, I would even expect them to be transferable.

Edit: looks like I was wrong -> see replies. You can also search for "9-Euro-Ticket übertragbar" (übertragbar = transferable) yourself to get a number of different German sources for that.


Normally DB day tickets, even bought at the ticket machine, are not transferable. You have to write your name on the back - in theory, before the first time you encounter a ticket controller - and be prepared to produce ID matching the name.


Honestly, this is the first time I ever hear of this, and I almost go back to steam engine trains :p


This ticket is personalized.


Buying the 9 euro ticket is possible anonymously with cash at any train station, so yeah, you should be able to.


>People who use local/regional transport will be able to buy it anywhere in Germany via channels such as bahn.de and DB Navigator. It will also be available from DB Reisezentrum (travel centre) staff and ticket machines at stations.

Ticket machines can be used without need to identify.


Yes, anyone can purchase it.

However, contrary to what is said multiple times in this thread, it is NOT transferable. You have to put your name on it and have some form of ID with you.

https://www.rnd.de/politik/9-euro-ticket-ab-wann-erhaeltlich...

Google Translate: https://www-rnd-de.translate.goog/politik/9-euro-ticket-ab-w...


I am 100% sure anyone can buy it. And I am almost equally sure, anyone using it will not get fined.


Yes it is.


Awesome! I might do some holiday travel :)


> I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.

Biggest hurdle will be getting a Germany ticket machine to accept a regular credit card!

But otherwise, isn't discriminating based on nationality for good and services illegal?


Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. They accept Maestro debit cards though, which almost everyone has, and cash.


> Credit cards aren't regular in Europe.

Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. Everywhere else in Europe is perfectly happy to accept a credit card. I do 99.999% of all my spending on a credit card, like most millennial people or younger, and the only people in the developed world who this is a problem for is the Germans.


> Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason.

That pig-headed reason being that Germany went trough two different repressive regime during the last century.

Regimes that made plenty of use of large scale surveillance and data collections [0] to find a lot of their victims.

That's why cash still reigns supreme in Germany; It's anonymous and third parties can't just remotely disable it by disabling your bank account.

It's also the reason why Germans value their privacy, at least used to.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Liste


> Pretty sure

Why not at least google some statistics before you lose yourself in some pig-headed chauvinistic rant about what in the most charitable interpretation amounts to nothing at all.


To be fair, I find it absolutely absurd that credit card companies siphon off 3% or so of all retail purchases, and then distribute a part of it back to their "most valuable customers" in the form of miles and cash backs and similar time-consuming nonsense. It is redistribution from the poor, those using cash and those not being able to pay off credit cards in full, to the rich.

The EU has imposed caps on these interchange fees [1], which is one reason Europeans are not inundated by junk mail offering credit cards, and may be a reason that credit cards are not ubiquitous. Having said that, I find that I can pay electronically in most places, including Deutsche Bahn ticket machines (or just buy them in the app).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interchange_fee#European_Union


Come on that’s not fair. Don’t the Dutch hate credit cards too?


Not hate, just not a system used very much here. Most people with a credit card have one for online purchases (I do), but those are a minority. Even that is no longer really needed with big stores like Steam and Amazon (.de and .nl) accepting the local IDEAL standard for banking transfers.

Paying with a credit card in shops? That's just not done excepting American tourists, same as in a number of European countries. It's contactless debit cards mostly. Building a credit rating by using a credit card is not part of the system.


EMV2-compatible debit/credit cards work pretty widely. The real issue is that some countries have locally-popular cards that don't work in that scheme (Dutch old Maestro variant, some german cards, etc.) or have very annoying compatibility issues (my old "Visa Electron", once very popular in Poland and which tripped UK card systems like crazy) and availability of card payments differs across EU - capping card fees and speeding up transactions thanks to EMV helped there a lot, but I remember hearing stories of Italian shops in touristy areas getting card readers... because of Polish visitors, who were accustomed to wide availability of cards (last local bastion of cash only was farmer's market nearby - now every more established stand has one)


I had no problem paying with a credit card on Bahn.de ticket machines (White and red). The yellow BVG ones gave me problems in the past accepting an Argentine card, but it’s likely it’d take it now that it has a chip.


They accept Apple Pay, that might help.


Yes, it would be a violation of EU law to restrict it.


No it wouldn't. You could say it's only for citizens of EU member states.

That's a restriction that wouldn't violate any EU law.


Another hypothetical alternative which wouldn't violate EU law (not that they have any reason of using it) would be to make the ticket only valid to people who legally reside in Germany, regardless of their nationality.


Correct, that wouldn't violate it. For German citizens only would.


arma4 should come up soon


Will there be arma4 on arm64?


Once upon a time I made the mistake of incorporating a startup in the Netherlands. Never. Again.


What went wrong?


Based on their username I would guess "being not-white in a country that is totally convinced it isn't racist but is actually seriously racist".

Also, it's not discussed much but the Netherlands has a very serious "old boy network" problem where white douchebags who didn't achieve much during their studies except boozing with other white douchebags keep failing upwards.

It's the reason why me and my mixed ethnicity background do not regret emigrating either, despite the superior bike infrastructure and hagelslag.


Mind you, literally anyone who doesn't fit this mentality in some way (ethnicity, sex, character, etc.) is quickly considered an outsider with problems getting in. You can be a white heterosexual native guy and still struggle because the Dutch mentality doesn't mesh with you personally. Very much because "boozing with other white douchebags" concerns all descriptors.

It's why the Dutch "kan niet"-mentality is so prominent.


Very much this. The Netherlands is essentially a frat house kept afloat by dangerously unregulated immigrant labor, a dwindling number of middle class professionals and tax laws that would be an embarrassment to all but the most unrepentant of tax havens.


>but the Netherlands has a very serious "old boy network" problem where white douchebags who didn't achieve much during their studies except boozing with other white douchebags keep failing upwards.

This isn't some Dutch thing. I've seen the exact same thing in Germany, Austria and Switzerland at the big-name companies in those countries (like BMW, etc.).

Basically, to succeeded, be a white local from a mid-upper/upper class family, go to a famous uni there and party, and you'll fail yourself to the top management in a big company there quite nicely, while immigrants have glass ceilings to make sure they know their place.


Pretty much this. Despite the fact that I am blonde and from Europe. Plus (from my perspective and specific to the Netherlands): it's an ecosystem of speculating "professionals". The Tax stuff is all done in Dutch. Accountants and the likes demand huge fees, and the Tax Authority assumes you are a Tax Resident if you incorporate a BV there. It took 4 years after I left Amsterdam (and about 20k EUR) to get rid of the annoyance of the Belastingdienst / Accountants demanding I would file personal and business stuff there, while I was actually living in another continent. I have been living in more than 8 Countries up to now, and the Dutch Society is the only one I am positive I will never ever try to join again.


We're in agreement - I did not mean to imply it's an exclusively Dutch problem, I was just pointing out that it's a problem that isn't brought up that much when people talk about issues in Dutch society.

Also, since "white" is a flexible term that varies per country but always basically designates which socially constructed ethnicities are the "exclusive clubs" on top of society, it should probably be pointed out to for everyone who has no experience with North-Western European whiteness that people from Eastern and Southern European countries are not considered white in these countries most of the time either, except perhaps when they're compared to immigrants from countries even further away.


Why? From what I heard UK, Ireland, Luxembourg and Netherlands are THE places in Europe to incorporate a startup, at least compared to the bureocratic horror stories I heard from places like France or Germany.


My guess - "incorporated in NL" has some high fixed costs, whether in actual dollars or in hassles & overhead. Any FAANG can spend a $1M or ten to farm out the latter to professionals. But if you're an actual startup...


Can a Delaware C-Corp buy them?


Only if it has a social security number and is a US resident. (Ie, no since c-corps don’t have socials)


You need a TIN (tax identification number) not SSN. C-corps, LLCs and anything else with a TIN can purchase these bonds directly from the fed.


It is not clear within the documentation, is the Heroku Deployment going to run on a an Heroku Free Tier Plan?


Yeah, Heroku free tier would be enough to deploy and run the app.


The group seems to be a relatively small Company, and have sold only 19 such machines around the world. There must be other manufacturers producing this sort of tech, I guess?


Welcome to Europe where small companies you never heard of make hyper-specialized machines and tools that are being used around the world to manufacture your household items.



Or https://www.krones.com/en/company.php

Makes machines for packaging products


People way underrate how much sophisticated work gets done in Europe. Great comment


Where was this when I needed it? Happy discovery.


probably would not have been written then, it is a stage 3 proposal but should be merged in hopefully soon.


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