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Not a single woman? No Barbara Liskov - Programming with abstract data types? No Grace Hopper - The education of a computer? No Frances Allen - Program optimization?


Should the work of women be on that list for the sole reason that they are women? There are many more men who have written papers far influential than the ones you've mentioned yet they didn't make the list. If you believe in equality, then you have to believe that the work of people who happen to be women can compete on their own merit. The absence of women in that list isn't necessarily evidence of bias as implied in your remark.


> papers far influential than the ones you've mentioned

Citation needed


Don't act in bad faith, the entirety of this thread is filled with examples.


I'd put Liskov's Programming with abstract data types up against any of them. Fran Allen's work was so fundamental it's hard to find compiler stuff that doesn't build on her work.

> Don't act in bad faith

This sounds like projection to me


You asked for "citations", the thread is literally filled with references to them. How is it not bad faith to have to prove to you things that you can easily check for yourself?


You misunderstood the request. Your original comment was claiming that there were many papers far more influential than any of the papers named that were by women. I was requesting evidence of this influence. In response you say that what, all of the references filling this thread are more influential than say Liskov or Allen? If not all, which ones?

The original comment you were responding to was pointing out that none of the papers listed were by women, and suggested several that were that are undeniably influential. Perhaps you think they aren't because you haven't read them, or presumably even heard of them?


I don’t think representation needs to be a thing for a personal list on a blog. Government? Absolutely. Corporate? maybe. That said, of course there have been many critical female contributions in the field. However, it’s also a numbers game since CS academia has been very gender/sex lopsided to this day. So production would represent that (sad) reality.


Did you just assume their gender?


This is such a bad paper. Almost all calculations and equations look like some back of envelope calculation. A decent researcher would have provided some tests to their hypotheses.


The numbers cited and used in calculations are supported by citations. The purpose of this paper is not to test a hypothesis, or to gather new data, but to think about existing data and new directions of research. This is spelled out in the paper's abstract, which is kind of summary of the whole paper, useful to get a very quick idea about the paper's purpose -- expanded further in the paper's introduction and re-visited again in the paper's conclusion.


Thank you for explaining what an abstract is... The fact that those number come from a citation doesn't make them true. This is a badly written paper that a decent researcher wouldn't have written (and I know that the author has many papers, I am speaking about this one) and a decent reviewer would have rejected. A paragraph about Elon Musk? Guesstimates on information rates? As a blog post would have been okay-ish, as a scientific paper is quite bad.


>The fact that those number come from a citation doesn't make them true

it does make them the citated paper problem, though.

the guesstimates are explained as guestimates, and used as illustration for possible upper limits.


The problem is that the PR machine of caltech then spits out articles like https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-12-brain-paradox-quantif... or https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-information-enteri... or https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-human-brain-o... with words like "measure" and "quantifies", "fill that quantitative gap".

There are no measurements here, I can guess the weight of an apple based on some prior (which my brain stores as some continuous distribution, not bits), but I am not measuring it.

It's incredibly tiring that bad science is sold as good science only because it comes from some fancy university. This paper is crap and should be treated as such.


You seem quite upset. Can you explain exactly which quantities don't make sense?


It bums so much that the "solution" to people suffering sleep deprivation is always trying to find something to sell them and not remove the causal problems: noise and light pollution, limited opportunities for proper nutrition and physical activity, insane work hours requirements and excessive commute time, etc...


This! Other comments imply some kind of strategy from YC, but it's likely a VC bias and/or a lack of communication inside YC.


Flying taxis are a solution to a problem that no one has. It's ridiculous anyone is financing this stuff.


I don't think it's strictly true that nobody has the problem of wanting to travel medium distances quickly. In fact, everyone has that problem - that's why the roads are congested and the trains are busy.

It might be more accurate to say that the kinds of flying taxis these companies are proposing - noisy, highly constrained location, unsolved airspace congestion issues at scale, probably quite unsafe - are not really a solution. But even so, there's clearly demand for helicopter transfers to airports - if an electric flying taxi can deliver that at half the per-hour cost and equivalent safety, then it's a win.


> But even so, there's clearly demand for helicopter transfers to airports

I mean, maybe some? How much? For instance, to take Paris, the example from the article. You can apparently get a helicopter from Paris to CDG for 4000 euro, taking 17 minutes (from a not-particularly-central point). Last time I was in Paris, the RER took 30 minutes from the airport to the center, and cost a couple of euro.

I'm sceptical that helicopters to airports could ever be a huge business, even if you cut the price by ten times.


400 euro, 4-6 people... I'd do it.


Maybe once, as a novelty, but if you're using the airport a lot, the train is probably less fuss.


Manhattan is a better example - there is no fast alternative route between the city and airport, and that's why you see a lot of helicopter transfers. I can see this working in a lot of US cities where public transport is poor and the airport is far away - Seattle, LA, Bay Area etc.


My sister lives 500km away from Perth, but needs to be there every couple of weeks. When family visits, it's a huge pain to have to drive 6 hours after the long flight to Perth from pretty much anywhere (the closest city in Australia, Adelaide, is a nearly 4 hours flight away - plus airport commute time, security etc.). We would pay a lot of money for a flying taxi that could go to Perth in an hour or so, or even more if it could fly all the way to Adelaide, 2,130 km away. I suspect many regions around the world have people in similar conditions (some very rich people in the area own helicopters, but the price to fly and maintain them is extremely prohibitive for everyone else).


I don't expect that any aircraft with a 2000+ km range would be classified as a "taxi".


More like a tour bus, but for the air. "Airbus" has a nice ring to it :)


The "bus" aspect is more related to how many passengers it carries. Implying that it carries a lot of people.


Electric air travel has the potential to be pretty revolutionary.

For regional carriers, there's a big potential maintenance cost savings that comes with electric power. See the orders for the Eviation Alice (https://www.eviation.com).

Our opposition as a country to investing in public rail infrastructure could lead to rail being leapfrogged by regional air travel using new technology. There are real topographical challenges that lead to choosing between a 7.5hr train trip vs a 45min flight.

From a logistics perspective, there are potential efficiencies to be gained from running more routes to smaller airports. Organ transplants sometimes fly on private jets to avoid risking organ viability due to a commercial flight being delayed. Those are some of the reasons for the investments in Beta (https://www.beta.team).

Also, air transport of people and cargo will continue to evolve and grow, so we may as well utilize a clean power source.


Vehicles that could be used as a taxi are also big enough to be used as an ambulance or police vehicle, so they're also a solution to various problems we do have.

My previous apartment was here, and before we moved out there were 20-26 sirens per day, lasting 10-90 seconds each, coming from and going in all 5 main exits from that junction, often getting stuck in traffic regardless of path or which emergency response service they were*:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dLEkZdtCGgaRAoi88?g_st=com.google.ma...

* at least four different services; the extra one was something I had difficulty translating as the prominent word on the side was literally "network" — I think that was the gas mains?


Lilium spend 1.4 Billion since 2015... and looking them up they seem to have gone the not uncommon path of hiring a multitude of big shot executives and of spending on swanky offices in several countries. No product shipped yet.

Now, there is a market for flying taxis. Currently it is quite niche and helicopters are used. It will probably remain niche so it's not clear how these companies might fit in.


It is not but perhaps it is about a decade too early.

The price of drone technology is dropping fast; and will open for an abundance of use cases that right now seem silly and unnecessary - like package delivery, fun rides, and taxiing.

Unfortunately this development will be mostly in China - sadly the best an European drone company could hope for would be to turn this into some sort of military project.


As an aside human piloted flying taxis have been a thing for ages. They can even be quite reasonable if you get the regulators out of the way - I used one in Belize which cost about US$60 consisting of one pilot in a 4 seater Cessna (a while ago - maybe 2x now). In most countries though the safety regulations make it very expensive.


Hmm, if you can make a better helicopter, using new EV technology, you've solved a problem, there's a market for that, and I'm sure this will happen.

But that's relatively niche, and the "flying taxi" companies were promising a whole lot more "disruption" than that.


It's just weird helicopter until some ground braking tech is invented. I wonder how these flying car company pitch decks look like.


I'm not sure if your "ground braking tech" means that you are concerned with the aircraft literally landing slowly and safely on the ground when power is lost, or if you mean radically better, metaphorically "ground-breaking" tech.


There's certainly demand for a helicopter that is half the cost and twice as reliable for emergency services and VIPs at least.


Most of these flying taxi designs seem to be multi-rotor, and I'm not sure they are more reliable. Even a single-engine helicopter can autorotate, these multi-rotor ones generally can't (maybe they could) and depending on the rotor configuration, can't fly with one rotor out of action. For example a typical quadrucopter with one motor out just falls to the ground.

EDIT some discussion here: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37360/can-a-pas...


Helicopter might be the #1 (accidental) killer of rich people globally


Ok, but don't call them "flying taxis" then.


only academics think in terms of "problems" and "solutions". You need to think in terms of demand. There is gigantic demand for a flying taxi


Is there? From whom? For what purpose? How much are they willing to pay for it?


>From whom?

Everyone who currently takes a ground-based taxi, I would guess.

>For what purpose?

Getting from A to B in the shortest amount of time.

>How much are they willing to pay for it?

Now there's the real question. Apparently the price is too high right now for there to be a sustainable market. We'll see what happens as prices come down as the tech advances.


Yeah, "flying taxis" could be cool tech, but for now, companies like Electra seem to have a bit more realistic vision and product.

Their aircraft is a traditional airplane, but uses eight electric motors, batteries, and a turbine powered electric generator.

The specs are pretty nice. Seats 9, 75 dBA at 300ft, with 40% less fuel use than a standard turbo prop. The range is in the hundreds of km, it doesn't require charging infra at every site, and it's "blown lift," so it operates as a STOL aircraft needing only a soccer field's length to operate.

https://www.electra.aero/technology


"Open source will finally die" said on a website likely running on some linux-based server, with some JS frontend, some open source/commercially licensed DB, and communicating with protocols regulated by a non-profit organization. Also in the future maybe reading this page from a device using a RISC-V processor. Sure.


I hope it brings a tear of joy to the corner of the eyes of those selfless FOSS programmers that they've done their share to help Y Combinator be worth $600 000 000 000. That money is surely better spent on people who deserve it better.


They are "difficult/thorny" questions only if you want them to be like that. "Health insurance companies make difficult decisions all the time" a.k.a. do we screw up our clients manually or through AI?


"Very intense people" -> Borderline evil sociopaths. "Things in category 3 needs to exist" mmmmh no, and reading from a "philosophy grad, rationalist heavy" that those are "morally thorny" questions tells me that he should have studied something else...


"MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me


this. also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison. Only you don't even get a public service for it, however bad it might be. For taxes, at least some of them are used for public services.


> also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison.

No? If your local government runs a surplus, that's sort-of equivalent to a profit (but not quite). Profits aren't equivalent to taxes. That's just silly.


The less local the government, the less likely I am to see any material benifit from the taxes I pay. Local and state taxes fund roads and other infrastructure, public schools, social programs, etc. Federal taxes fund military adventurism, pure corrupt waste like SLS and worst of all ""aid"" for shitty foreign countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel so they can wage wars on their neighbors, for which America's international reputation suffers greatly.


Foreign aid is a very small part of the budget.

But you are right that more local government has advantages over more centralised government. For example, it's easier to change your local government, if you don't like it: just move to the next town over.


You elk of America's international reputation and foreign fiscal affairs is ironic as you are only inconvenienced a fraction that the hundreds of third world humans endure daily to prop up our unsustainable standard of living.

You have definitely maimed and killed a non-zero amount of humans indirectly by the stochastic math that tallies the bodies on your Luxury products.

We are bias. Your gas wouldn't be less than $10 a gallon if we didn't drop $10b a year policing the Canals, Gulfs, and ports.

The higher your standard of living, the more dependencies, the more complexities, the more abstractions, and more susceptible to changes/perturbations until the "millionaire if not for taxes" thinks he can go without the "taxation without representation" route.


"Was all along a scheme by Google to sell more tensor processing units that didn't run RNNs well?"


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