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It did not happen in public, and is not related to any public events.


@dang if possible please stick this reply to the top, @gargron is the author himself (the CEO stepping down)


Which controversial topic did you fail/refuse to crack down on the fediverse?


Why would it be their responsibility to succeed at topics in the fediverse more than it's your responsibility?

So which topics did you fail/refuse to crack down on the fediverse @Maken?

I personally failed to push harder for DIDs so switching servers without losing followers is easier.


ActivityPub is embraced by:

  - Threads  
  - Flipboard  
  - WordPress  
  - micro.blog  
  - NodeBB  
  - PeerTube  
  - Pixelfed  
  - GoToSocial  
  - Akkoma  
  - ...and countless smaller projects
It is by no means just Mastodon.


> WordPress

This isn’t quite true. WordPress.com announced they were planning on ActivityPub support, but that is a separate entity run by a commercial company (Automattic).

Their plan was to support it specifically on Tumblr, as well as helping fund an open source plugin for it; there have been no plans to integrate it into the WordPress software directly.

I believe they’ve also deprioritised it as they did significant layoffs recently.


What do you mean? WordPress already supports ActivityPub through their plugin:

https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/

I follow a few blogs on Mastodon just fine (for example John Carlos Baez's Azimuth, https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/), it's just like an RSS reader in your timeline.


My point is in terms of activity. I’m familiar with all those services. I recommend doing a percentage of each vs total activitypub content.

I would also discard services that auto post to the fediverse but are not actively used by the majority of users as such.


ActivityPub can be used for both public and private messaging, though I don't think the e-mail standard needs to be retired anytime soon.


Firefox is still a great browser with probably the best devtools.


Can you expand on the "best devtools" comparing to Chrome's?


I'm sorry, but by what metric are musical bands "dead"? I'm asking because I follow a lot of bands that are actively releasing new music and touring across the US and Europe. Not to mention the musical festivals.


Yeah.


Thanks; that does seem to be the case, and (as someone afflicted by astigmatic halation) I will no longer avoid following Mastodon links.


Mastodon has changed quite significantly since a few years back. We take product design seriously and spend a sizeable amount of our resources on improving usability and reducing friction. If you could, please try again, and let me know how it goes this time. If you are an Android user, I strongly recommend our official app, as in my (obviously biased) opinion it is the best social media app right now and the user experience I am most proud of.


Do you not think that Meta onboarding its 2 billion Instagram userbase into Threads had something to do with it?


Yes, of course; that was clearly the high-order bit.

But even if it was dominant my hunch is it was unlikely the only factor: Bluesky also rapidly outgrew Mastodon, without a Meta-like advantage.


From cloudflare 2024 stats bluesky traffic shot up during the US election but is now back below (aggregrate across all servers) mastodon traffic [1]

But its true that mastodon did not have a major breakthrough as of late and bluesky will likely surpass it in the near future as some important "high information quality" communities (journalists, scientists etc.) seem to migrate there in preference.

Orientation towards general (mainstream, non-tech) users, easy usability etc is indeed a problem for the fediverse. The reasons are mostly an anti-commercial ideological stance which on the one hand makes funding scarce. Hence brilliant open source products - there are many more than peertube - remain unpolished, not marketed at all etc.). On the other hand this hostile culture keeps mainstream actors from joining the revolution.

But make no mistake this is a revolution. The hyper-concentration in social media is an aberration that does not fit any other pattern in society and the economy. Some more pragmatism from the decentralization pioneers will accelerate the inevitable.

[1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/radar-2024-year-in-review-intern...


Arguably, Bluesky being spun off from Twitter and having Jack Dorsey as one of the founding members is a somewhat Meta-like advantage, in a sense of immediate legitimacy in the press and networking opportunities/connections in Silicon Valley. Mastodon had to start absolutely from scratch. I had zero connections to anyone important when I launched it. Bluesky also raised over $8M in venture capital funding, while Mastodon was being developed on a $0/mo budget for the first year of its existence, and something like $5000/mo for the next 5. Our current annual budget of around $500K still pales in comparison to the money Bluesky has at their disposal right now to spend on e.g. marketing. They also have the advantage of not really trying to do decentralization. That being said, venture capital money isn't free, while Mastodon's funding comes from the community with no strings attached, so in the long term, I believe in our approach.


To add some color to my comments: I also believe in your approach and I admire the work you and your team have done.

To sum up my entirely unoriginal opinions:

1. Mastodon has far better usability than any other Fediverse software I'm aware of

2. Despite this, usability is still a material coefficient of drag on Mastodon's growth

To be clear, I don't believe Mastodon has to or even should aspire to match the growth of other more centralized networks; only that usability is a drag on what would otherwise be natural growth for Mastodon itself.

I know you and your team spend a considerable amount of time and energy on usability, so I hope I'm not saying anything you don't already know infinitely better than I.


Why do you believe that about Mastodon?


Mastodon is too fragmented for the common people, and any chance of that being popular is getting usurped by Bluesky anyway.


Onboarding and discovery is much too difficult for the average user. Distributed is technologically cool, but will remain niche IMO.


Mastodon isn't distributed, like bittorrent; it's decentralized, like email.


What in your opinion are the pain points in the current sign up process?


That there is any discussion on "what" instance to join. I understand this is the whole point of being a decentralized system, but your average person doesn't care about that for social media. Maybe I'm wrong and mastodon.social is perceived in that way similarly to how bsky.app is for Bluesky.

I haven't followed mastodon in some time but the account migration thing was a pain as well, which I feel that the AT Protocol addresses much better.


Mastodon.social. These enormous monolithic servers offer the worst experience and degrade the whole network. And now joinmastodon.org points you at mastodon.social first, then a list of the largest servers.

In other words, centralizing.


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