This is huge. The 20-30 minute charge is very clearly a bottleneck, despite owners saying its a good opportunity to go into Target and do some shopping.
When I got my car I had to drive it 1500 miles back to my home and did it alone. I would stop when the tank needed filling. I got maybe 450 miles per tank, so maybe every 6-7 hours or so. That's 10 minutes per 6 hours, which is (10/6 / 20/3 =) 1/4th the overhead you're describing. So I'm agreeing with OC: when it's just me, 20 minutes every 2 hours starts becoming a bit much.
I am. But it's the same for everything. I don't live in a place I can install a car charger. It would be that overhead increase for every time I charged. It would actually be worse if it's not a once in a lifetime (so far) road trip because at least those times I wanted to be stopped for a bit. I'd imagine the times I'm rushing to work and have to stop for gas would get a lot worse with a long charge time.
> I'd imagine the times I'm rushing to work and have to stop for gas would get a lot worse with a long charge time.
Of course. That's where my other comment is relevant: " "very fast charging" should not be the default, it should be rare. ... the default is overnight at home or during the day at office or a mall, with the software giving you that "topped up as specified, every morning, that's better than what an a ICE vehicle can provide"
i.e. with an EV and commute, you can slow charge and also never "stop for gas", ever. The vehicle is just ready, every day.
If you "don't live in a place where you can have a car charger" at home or at work, then IMHO an EV is not ideal for you, yet. The infrastructure isn't ready for you, work on that first.
> I don't live in a place I can install a car charger.
That's very different from needing to charge in 10 minutes on a road trip. For most people even a garage with access to a 110v wall socket is sufficient to cover daily commute driving. If you don't have that or a place to charge at work, yeah going electric is a chore.
I am in a rental and don't have a charger I just plug into the wall.
I haven't had to visit a gas station since I got it so that's about 10 minutes a week this year saved. So I'm up almost 2 and a half hours so far this year.
It's not one-size-fits-all? If you're regularly driving extreme distances and peeing into a bottle while driving, and you don't have access to home or work charging, then your vehicle choice can and should be different at present.
But what if someone had to a do a trip where the gas stations where clearly out of the way of their route? That adds more time.
Gas stations are ubiquitous simply because they are 100 years worth of infrastructure roll out.
If you're saying that EV infrastructure isn't there yet, then you're stating the obvious.
But, and hear me out :
a) Will it stay that way? If 50% of vehicles are EV's then 50% of gas stations could be out of business, and that's a re-enforcing spiral of inconvenience. My view is that there some cases where a fossil fuel vehicle is the best choice. But when they're under 10% of all cases, will the infrastructure agree, or nix it by being 10% as common as it is now? Past a certain point the whole distribution system is unprofitable and just folds up. Then gasoline engines go the way of the horse: A few people still ride them, but it's mostly an impractical, expensive hobby with known issues with the smelly stuff that comes of of the back of them.
b) Gas stations of any kind, even bad ones, are rare at a home. Electrical plugs - wall sockets - are EV chargers usable for some purposes, and almost all homes have them. That level of emergency infrastructure is hard to beat.
> 20 minutes every 2 hours starts becoming a bit much
I didn't say that it was "20 minutes every 2 hours" - in fact the sentence "If you stop every 2 hours, you don't need the full 20 minutes " says that it's less than that.
Your specific case described "10 mins stop every 6-7 hours" is extreme and of questionable safety. How much fluid did you consume during that time?
I'm not going to say "don't do it", but lets not pretend that it's the average use, or even your average use. So you should not optimise for that at the expense of making other cases worse.
You're also saying that the comparable charging time, even for extreme cases like this, is not all that far off.
We just rented one with an ICE, because they only have mild-hybrids.
We need a 15-20min rest after every ~2h (~120miles) anyway.
I cannot refuel unattended, thus the 500+ miles of range are nice, but I would be more than happy to reload a BEV at every stop.
120miles of extra range should be doable, even in just 15min.
Considering we could start with at least 80% battery charge, we wouldn't need the full 120miles extra at every stop.
I don't see the problem even with small batteries (58kW netto) and the charging rate (e.g. ID3 above 100kWh @ 10-80%). It's only a problem if chargers aren't well maintained, or stupid ICE drivers block a station out of malice (and yes: mainly the same sickheads that are responsible for the current economic debacle).
After over a year of building Flyflow alongside you, we've decided to sunset the product. The team is joining forces with a larger company to build something new (more to come!). Talking to our customers has consistently been the most inspiring part of my day; thank you for that.
Yep - they self-censor themselves according to China's whims, just so they can have China access now only to be banned by the great firewall 1 year from now after Chines startups scrape all their image outputs for training.
I predict his character arch will be similar to Adam Neumann and Travis Kalanick - first the media gushes over him and praises him as a genius. Then the media starts to question him. Then they start to fully dig in and dig up a ton of dirt.
With no mainstream outlet pushing forth the allegations his sister is claiming on social, I imagine right now they are looking under every rock on that end.
I respect his hustle but there is something about him in watching him speak live and in person that comes off as incredibly manipulative. He knows how to speak and pause in a way that gets the audience to laugh and gives soundbites. I am long OpenAI but I don’t trust Sam.
He could follow the character arch of his friend Thiel where the media come after him but he’s too resilient.
Or Zuckerberg where the media hated him for years and then moved on.
Accurate. Psychology, history and the intersection thereof broadly supports the idea that we drastically overestimate our ability to measure character and intention based on in-person interactions. Some oft cited cases being how numerous British public figures who sat down with Hitler tragically misread his intentions, in contrast to those who appraised him from a distance based on actions, policies and writings. Likewise, GWB's famous ability to peer into Putin's soul.
I would, however, add that just because most people are bad at estimating others doesn't mean that everyone is equally bad. There may be some people who are incredibly good at seeing where others are coming from and what their true intentions are. But, of course, everyone's probably overestimating their own capacity to estimate others.
It's pretty entertaining how the pro-Altman firehose turned off like a light switch after a couple days of all discussion being choked in an endless stream of Altman praise.
At least Adam Neumann is a weirdo with a personality.
Sam isn't charismatic in the classic showman way. He has nerd appeal but he isn't magically persuasive. He just seems very "focused" so his claims feel believable.
He's literally saying they are allegations and claims, so he's done everything correct:
> With no mainstream outlet pushing forth the allegations his sister is claiming on social, I imagine right now they are looking under every rock on that end.
>I respect his hustle but there is something about him in watching him speak live and in person that comes off as incredibly manipulative. He knows how to speak and pause in a way that gets the audience to laugh and gives soundbites. I am long OpenAI but I don’t trust Sam.
You can say the same thing about Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs is a jerk for sure but a bad personality does not predict success or failure as much as you (or we) hope to. And what people say about your character is also overly dependent on results. Only time will tell whether Sam Altman will be considered a villain or a flawed hero in media.
European cities were built a thousand years ago to be dense by default because that was the technology.
The US is very young and not dense, save for a few downtown clusters.
There is definitely a lot that can be done, but it really comes down to user demand. People actually prefer cars if it’s the viable option. But depends on distance, timing, distance, and goals.
We shall see how ridership shifts in Los Angeles - probably the greatest live experiment in trying to force habit change currently in progress. Anyone here have inside baseball numbers on the habit changes in LA?
American cities were dense and at a point in time the US had the most advanced public transit systems in the world.
In the wake of the collective Futurama[0] craze car companies managed to buy it and tear it down. American cities were not build for the cars, they were bulldozed[1] for the cars.
US cities looked like European cities before we decided to change course (they just had grids instead of mazes). We tore down dense cities, built freeways, and mandated suburbia as basically the only development style permitted. We can turn it around quite easily if we wanted.
[1] is a great twitter account that shows the before and after destruction of our cities.
[2] is a great series of videos contrasting our NA development to European development. Plenty of videos demonstrating the course Netherlands was on were following US development styles there too (car dominated inner cities) in the 70s/80s but they consciously decided to change course which is why they look like they do now. So we can change course too. If we want to.
The US got pushed heavily into cars. Of course I prefer a car being back at my parents in the suburbs. The amount of public transit to counter act sprawling suburbia would be insane.
The US continues a lot of [indirect] subsidizing for cars as well while not funding or caring about public transit enough. HN has had many previous posts on this.
Thank you for this. I knew this was true, but didn’t have actual backing to be able to know how exactly.
The other thing I have a lack of knowledge with is how and where people in America lived 100 years ago. I assume most people lived within distance of a handful of essential shops until some point after the WW2/Depression, when suburbia probably sky rocketed.
> It was her son Vaughn’s child. He was on the street, doing drugs, and he conceived Evaughn with a woman who was also homeless and an addict.
> She later adopted Evaughn’s half-brother, Isaiah
Making babies is much, much easier than caring for them.
A woman and her male partners can make a dozen.
Reproduction happens quite naturally, unless you have the resources, wisdom and will to to prevent it, and losing your children is quite easy if you lack the resources, wisdom, and will to care for them.
