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By this logic you should just be able to list anything for an above average price and have people buy it as a status symbol.

If you can build a luxury brand, sure.

Which is very hard. Contradicting this:

> Many companies aren't selling anything special or are just selling an "idea".


>It will make very little difference in the end.

It will make very little difference if Wall Street investors hold very little property.

Putting a finger on the scale of how much real estate is individually owned definitely makes a difference though. It makes it worse.

100,000 individuals who own 100,000 properties have far more political power than 10 companies who own 100,000 properties.

>If you want housing to be cheaper and renters to be better treated, increase supply. Everything else is window-dressing.

Yes. However supply is artificially restricted by government, to the approval of the average property owning voter. So more specifically, that is what needs to be changed. Everything else is window-dressing.

This is a country sliding further towards being us, with their housing being more restricted and more expensive.


> 100,000 individuals who own 100,000 properties have far more political power than 10 companies who own 100,000 properties.

Is that really true in the US?


100,000 votes (and really probably closer to 150,000 influenceable votes across those households) is a significant number compared to 10 companies who own an average of 10,000 properties each, yes.


Companies with tremendous wealth manipulate voters and lobby their representatives. Don’t presume that voters are remotely well-informed of who backs their interests.


If wealth could simply buy elections then Clinton would have won over Trump in 2016 and Sanders would have won the primary over Biden in 2020.

Consider every other expense that people have that's supplied by companies (see: literally everything). Why have those companies not successfully lobbied to prevent competition? Industries where it happens are the exception, not the rule.


They’re comparing them as if they were making a laptop purchasing decision today.

Sure, they could theoretically be a good buy in 10 years.


The OP almost certainly isn’t a copyright holder for the Linux kernel. They probably would have said if they were.


The theory is being tested that you don't need to be a copyright holder to file a lawsuit https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html


Then why are they trying to enforce copyright/contract law without standing?

Making a blog post about someone elses copyright being violated is even more annoying to me.


Huh, they’re not. You’re the one saying they should.


What's their basis for sending the emails then? If not one of legal standing in copyright/contract law?

Edit: My point is this is just another one of many annoying people you have to deal with who will email you alleging all sorts of legal violations, who don't themselves understand anything about the claims they are making.


Basis? You mean reason?

They want the Linux kernel source code.


No, he means basis, not reason. There's a difference and I'm genuinely curious in your answer.


Sure, I understand that there's a difference. That's why I sought clarification.

My understanding of the concept of "basis" does not fit the context of sending an email, and "reason" is the closest I can find that fits.

Basis being concerned with rules or authority. The assumption being when asking "what is the basis for X?" that there was a bar that needed to be met beyond the doers motivations. That there needed to be more than they wanted to. Which of course, does not apply to sending an email. I could email you right now asking you what your favourite type of fish is or seeing if you want to play a game of chess, no basis needed. I'd just need a reason to.


That’s a very intricate and convoluted way of saying they have no basis for making a demand.

But sounds like we agree, they have no real basis for making a demand.


Poorly explained maybe but it covers not just that there is no basis but that no basis is needed and draws attention to the odd request for a basis where none is needed.

Just "there is no basis" as a response would be like saying "yes" or "no" to "have you stopped beating your wife?"


Aren’t we talking about enforcing/exercising a legal right?

Whether you have a reason to make a claim is much different than whether you have a legal basis for your claim.


We're talking about Lost-Entrepreneur439 on Reddit emailing a company to ask for some of their code.

You can just do that. No GPL, open source, enforcement, demands, etc language needed. Just "I'm trying to do X, can I see the code for Y?". I receive and send them at work pretty frequently.

They've mentioned the GPL as a way to try to increase the chances of getting sent the code. A support person for a medical device company might not know anything about software licences or linux or GPL. If the company has some sort of "send GPL code to askers" policy and Lost-Entrepreneur439 just asks for the linux kernel, the support person might not know that the GPL policy applies and just say no. If you include it in your message then it increases the chances of them typing "GPL" in to whatever internal knowledge bank they have and seeing "for GPL requests, forward the enquiry to jeff@ourcompany.com" or something like that.

The GPL isn't between Lost-Entrepreneur439 and the company so I don't think "enforcement/exercising a legal right" is an accurate way to describe what we're talking about. That would be if the copyright holders to the linux kernel get involved.

EDIT: Although that seems like largely just a semantics thing. Like if a judge orders a company to pay you some money and you say "give it to austhrow743" is it valid to say that I have a right to that money? Or is it that you have the right that I get that money? If someone wants to phrase "linux kernel copyright holders have a right to demand users of their code share it with anyone who asks" as "anyone who asks has a right to that code" then I don't really have a problem with that.

I just see a big difference between making a request and making a claim. I don't need to think I'm legally entitled to something to ask for it. I don't even need to think that getting it is likely. Whereas Abigail appears to be treating sending and receiving requests by emails as equivalent to a court summons.


And now we get to my question of why. They want the Linux source code, the company is not giving it to them, why is the next step a blog post instead of a lawsuit? Again this is a medical device - it's important enough to spend the money on.

They make a blog post about GPL violations which allege the company is violating the law.

I'm absolutely begging for anyone in a similar situation to prove it. The reasons those emails were sent is because they think they have a legal entitlement to be sent the source code. *PROVE IT*. It's cheap!


Source?

Afaik we didn't even have what could be considered work until agriculture.


Their Google dependency is their existential problem. They're limited by what they can do with "making Firefox better" while effectively being a client state. An off the books Google department. Doomed to forever being a worse funded Chrome because they can't do too much to anger their patron.

By selling browser UI real estate to AI companies[0] they reduce the power Google has over them. If they get to the point where no individual company makes up a majority of their revenue, it allows them to focus on their mission in a much broader way.

[0]These will be very expensive listings should this feature become popular: https://assets-prod.sumo.prod.webservices.mozgcp.net/media/u...


Yeah but is this entirely true though? It seems Google pays FF just for existing, to protect them from antitrust litigation (or what's left of it); so Google can't really stop paying FF and can't try to kill it, as its death would be extremely counter productive. FF may be freer than it thinks.


Same as for Apple, the amount Google pays will vary. Firefox will probably still exist with 10% of Google's money, except execs Mozilla execs would be in a very different situation.


Its not impossible that someday a new non-chromium browser reaches feature parity (or close enough) with the chromium browsers. At that point, Google could stop worrying about funding Firefox's development.


Is there any prove for Googles influence on their development you outline here?


Google pay Mozilla hundreds of millions of dollars each year to place Google as the default browser. It's by far their biggest income stream. In 2023 it was reported as 75% of their revenue.

There's no world in which 75% of your revenue coming from Google doesn't influence what you do. Even if it's not the main driver of all decisions, pissing off Google is a huge risk for them.


Soooo...there isn't.


If the plaintiff pays 500 million to the judge and the defendant goes to jail, there's no proof that the judge wouldn't have made the same decision without the 500 million. If you're a fool, you'll sneer and ask "Where's the proof?"

Why would there be any proof?


Well if you bring up law how about: innocent until proven guilty?

Google is not bribing Mozilla...they probably keep them alive to avoid all kinds of monopoly lawsuits. With their market share however, you would need more prove to justify further conspiracies...


Large sums of money are typically how we measure influence in the modern day.


Too bad we're not interested in prove before we're condemning anyone in those modern days...


There's proof of financial dependence, here's a recent report https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202...

In 2021 they got $500M "royalties" (this is their payment from Google) with only $75k revenue from all other sources, including $7.5k donations.


The document you linked mentions $50M in advertising/subscription revenue.


What says that?

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ai-chatbot This page not only prominently features cloud based AI solutions, I can't actually even see local AI as an option.


The new AI Tab Grouping feature says it. I've never tried the AI chatbot feature but that makes sense. Would be fun to somehow talk to the local AI translation feature.


We've been having trouble telling if people are using the same product ever since Chat GPT first got popular. The had a free model and a paid model, that was it, no other competitors or naming schemes to worry about, and discussions were still full of people talking about current capabilities without saying what model they were using.

For me, "gemini" currently means using this model in the llm.datasette.io cli tool.

openrouter/google/gemini-3-pro-preview

For what anyone else means? If they're equivalent? If Google does something different when you use "Gemini 3" in their browser app vs their cli app vs plans vs api users vs third party api users? No idea to any of the above.

I hate naming in the llm space.


FWIW i’m always using 5.1 Thinking.


World in Conflict was an interesting take on making RTS easier for casuals. Basically took the resource gathering part out of it. You got a constant drip of points you could spend on units instead.

Potentially that simplification hurts the genre too much though because then you don't have hardcore players sticking with it for years and years.

Maybe a game could have that as a "simple mode" that players can opt in to.

The potential addictive money making pattern is the same as other games imo. Skins. The units being smaller mean the developer is probably going to have to go to more effort to shove them in to peoples faces. Maybe a screen before/after the match where all the players units in their skins can be clear seen in a more zoomed in manner. Have them marching around the border of the end scoresheet or doing a little dance while waiting for players to load.


The reasons for high housing prices generally come down to "government restriction of supply, as supported by a large amount of voters".

There's no other expense where we talk about it as a market, at least in general layman focused new and discussions. People aren't concerned about the fuel market or the grocery market. They're concerned about fuel prices. Grocery prices.

Housing is an exception due to catastrophic historical policy choices to encourage it as an investment. Government restrictions on housing supply will exist for as long as a significant number of people not only have their net worth wrapped up in housing, but who actually leverage themselves and go in to extreme debt to achieve it. Not to mention the attached cultural issues of then wanting "buying a house" to mean "buying an area staying the same".

Concentration of residential real estate among fewer owners is the only path that doesn't lead to the future being housing based feudalism where your station in life is determined by if you inherited somewhere to live, and how desirable it is.


People talk about the market for assets: cars, precious metals, collectibles, and houses are examples. They are not normal expenses because you have something after the expense, unlike fuel or groceries.

Assets often function as stores of value, and housing is unique in that it performs an essential function, is comprised of material that generally rises in cost, has sentimental value, and is fixed to a specific location that may or may not rise in value but does in general (you see very little written about the non-housing shortage in Baltimore or many rust belt cities where land is very close to free, or even less than that in some cases).

Residential real estate is one of the most fragmented investment classes in existence. We're so far from feudalism that it's not even worth talking about. If you want housing to be less expensive in your area, you need to be like Baltimore and reduce demand or remove the disincentives from building and allow an increase in supply. Most people prefer the latter.


Most people are apathetic about most things at best. They don't "really" care nor should they. They only casually approve or disapprove.

The problem is that we as a society tolerate people turning off their brains and becoming useful idiots if you frame things in certain ways. And so what to the scheming weasels with special interests to serve do? They frame things that way.

You see it all the time on HN, say nothing of "other" platforms. People who have no real pressing need to care about some specific thing will go to bat for something just because it's peddlers say it's good for the environment or public health or god or whatever. Anything can be framed in such a way they're happy to advocate for. It's like an open mail relay or DDOS reflection. This exploit in our society gets leverages left and right by special interests to get all sorts of things that make them money written into the rules and laws at every turn.

These people ought to feel bad for just taking a one sided story at face value and broader society ought to ostracize them for it same as we'd ostracize anyone stupid enough to go to bat for bigotry in drag.

The problem is in the mirror. This is a social norms issue.


I agree with you general point, however in the long term, I don’t think this will financially end well for those betting on housing as an investment. At some point, if a loan essentially spans the course of a borrower’s lifetime, it’s no longer a loan, it’s a rental.

Therefore the lender will not be made whole when their debt serf dies. That seems to place an upper ceiling on the (inflation adjusted) growth of the investment side.


Good luck trying to mass build in this financial and fiscal environment. Governments could cut as much red tape as they'd like now to stimulate housebuilding and the market will still continue to build higher priced homes because that's the only game in town now to deliver an attractive ROI.

A fundamental issue no one is truly engaging with his the concentration of where people want to live which has been a combination of where jobs are and the development consumer activities in those locations have fostered to keep them attractive places to live. They're too many people trying to live in too few places and thats subtly due to necessity related to where employment is.

Remote working should have eased that more sustainably over the medium term but society decided it was better to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it came to that & productivity issues etc.


Yes, yes and yes! That's what I never hear from the abundance crowd, they're always going "just build more homes" while refusing to see that doing so would severly anger the wealthiest half of this country. And in these times where moneyed interests basically dictate elections, this is guaranteed political suicide.

You have to run on agressive redistribution and get your political mandate from those that are kept out of this frankly insane system, else you're doomed to fail and join the other democrats who promised social justice but ended up delivering a boring half-competent technocratic stewardship of the economy instead, and disillusioned yet more people from the "left".


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