Wow, that’s terrible. Seems we need to start simulating ransomeware attacks to confirm our infrastructure is up to the task of recovering from them.
Best practices these days is use cloud providers as part of your backup solution who maintain their own backups of your backups which in theory make you getting hacked recoverable.
Arab colonizers invaded Israel on Oct 7th (and many times before that too) and kidnapped 100s of civilians. Israel is now trying to retrieve them.
> commit a genocide
Arab/Muslim colonizers have been attempting genocide since before the 1600s, their most recent attempt was on Oct 7th. Again Israel is simply trying to reclaim their own people and prevent any future genocide attempts.
Illegal according to who? The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. “Legal” presupposes an enforcement framework and process which simply doesn’t exist as it applies to sovereign countries.
But more to the point you can’t claim to be rational while using terms like “the complete eradication of Gaza”. The population in Gaza has grown since the war started.
Meanwhile in southern Syria the Druze are actually being exterminated by self-proclaimed jihadis (and Palestinian “refugees”) and the whole world is turning a blind eye while Israel desperately tries to prevent a larger catastrophe. Now the Syrian Druze are requesting to be annexed by Israel and to be under IDF protection. You don’t care about Palestinians, you just hate Jews.
Don't be disingenuous. Its far from "just a press release"; its the official position of the government of the United States. There are many other instances where different parts of the government call it illegal.
It is just a press release and regardless, what any country’s official position is, is irrelevant. Legality generally doesn’t apply to international relations as each state makes their own determination on what does and doesn’t apply to them.
For example the current US ambassador to Israel just announced that France will be partitioned into two states, one for France and one for Palestine, France isn’t bound by that.
I can use terms like complete eradication. What percentage of buildings in Gaza remain in safe enough conditions for people to live in? The entire strip looks like a flattened dust pile.
Yes, killing civilians is bad regardless of their identity. It seems like you are trying to shift ground to something unrelated because you have nothing of actual substance.
Now how is the conduct by Israel not tribal warfare on a nearly genocidal scale?
When someone is asked to stop being evil and their response is to deflect and then lie, we can conclude that they are gonna continue doing that evil thing.
Defending colonization and genocide is evil. You are defending both, while accusing others of heinous atrocities without any demonstrable evidence, qed.
One cannot colonize their own land. Arabs and Muslims are not indigenous to Judea and Samaria, they are colonizers who invaded and ethnically cleansed the area and then hilariously refer to it as a part of a different country (west bank of what?).
If that were true it would be a problem, since it’s just lies told by hamas that you are now repeating for some reason we don’t have to worry about it.
Here are your starving gazans: https://x.com/DocumentIsrael/status/1948045924099367359 they have fresh fruit that looks perfectly ripe… so interesting that no aid is getting in and yet somehow they’re holding fruit I sometimes have trouble finding in my supermarket here in the US…
Again, read that article lol, it doesn’t actually support the thing you’re saying. It has a claim by a soldier without any supporting proof. Same with the CNN article, there is literally zero video evidence supporting your claim in the most recorded war in history, ask yourself why that is? Why do we have video of hamas shooting their own people, video of basically every single missile landing, but this event that has apparently resulted in 500+ deaths has literally no video evidence. You would think if it was happening someone would be pointing cameras at the idf position and just watching, but somehow they’re never seem to have any evidence of it. All we have are drs making claims in hospitals… somehow the drs in field hospitals know where all their patients came from and exactly what happened to them, but no one else has any idea.
As always the question is for you: why do you hate Jews so much? Why do you want all the Jews to be killed?
Just so we’re clear I showed an actual video of Hamas with fresh fruit, the UN just shared a video of literal tons of aid they’re refusing to distribute. you shared a paywalled article quoting an anonymous source with zero verification.
You're just insulting people at this point. The OP did not say he hates Jews or want them to be killed. You should be banned by making disgusting accusations without any connection with reality.
There's overwhelming proof of intentional starvation in Gaza, by multiple different sources -- sources that don't agree with each other on pretty much anything else, by the way. Every major news outlet in the planet is reporting the same thing, but in your evil, twisted, human-hating logic, all of them are wrong and only the openly fascist government of Israel is right because they say so.
I never disagreed that some children aren’t getting food, my point always was that the UN and Hamas are responsible for this problem, the IDF in partnership with GHF are the only organizations facilitating alleviating the suffering.
The UN has literal tons of food that they’re refusing to distribute. Hamas clearly has access to fresh fruit as recently as 2 days ago and yet they refuse to share any of it with their constituents. Egypt is refusing to allow anyone to leave Gaza as a refugee. When Israel and Trump proposed resettling the refugees temporarily until the war ended they were accused by you, the UN, and every single “humanitarian” org of ethnic cleansing.
Israel is not responsible for a problem they didn’t create, don’t want and are trying very hard to prevent and end. The only people responsible for this are the ones refusing to solve it unless it allows for a genocide of Jews.
The OP and you are both determined to only consider solutions that allow for further Arab colonization and may result in the death of millions of Jews. This is why I accuse you of genocide.
I will also add, Israel is not responsible for the health and welfare of even a single Gazan citizen, that responsibility falls on Hamas, so literally anything Israel does to help the gazan citizenry is already going above and beyond. If you have a problem with the welfare of Hamas’s constituents, take it up with them. Tell them to unconditionally surrender and return the kidnapped hostages. Instead of agitating for the wholesale slaughter of Jews.
Political propaganda is a amazingly powerful thing. This bullshit above is simply a brainless regurgitation of the 70s Golda Meir quote:
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
That's all there is to it - pure propaganda. No data, no evidence, no science, just pure, unadulterated propaganda from half a century ago, still very much alive and kicking.
If gazans want the war to end all they have to do is return the people they so gleefully kidnapped and continue to torture and hold hostage. Instead they point fingers and depend on brainwashed westerners without any knowledge of the conflict or history to get them out of the mess they themselves created.
I wasn’t directly referencing that but it’s literally the strongest proof, data, evidence science that she was 10000% right. Stop defending monsters because you literally have no clue what you’re talking about.
Hamas shared the videos… not sure what else you’d call it when a violent mob made up of both young and old people jostles and jeers and attacks innocent civilians and then throws rocks and chases their car. This don’t happen just once, it was a crowd of 1000s every time.
Ah yes, the genocide where the people being genocided continue to outpace the population growth of the nation doing the genocide. The ethnic cleansing where the only time it happens is to remove Jews from an area. The apartheid where the “subjugated” sit on the Supreme Court, have 10+ seats in parliament (which matches voting demographics), were recently part of the majority, and share all the same rights as their supposed oppressors.
The same state which is right now defending another people from an actual genocide being carried out by self proclaimed jehadis in Syria, and the Druze are now begging to be annexed by Israel.
Literally anyone who makes any claims of genocide or ethnic cleansing or most hysterically, “apartheid” outs themselves as a complete ignoramus of the region, history and reality and is openly declaring their bigotry.
If a definition of genocide is sensitive to where we mark the start and end of the genocide, then it isn't a very good definition of genocide. We can do the same thing with area: suppose some ethnic group was being genocided in a particular region, but overall population growth of that group was positive. Does that make it no longer a genocide? Clearly not.
I don't quite see where the miscommunication is. Serious claims about genocide normally come with (at least rough) temporal and geographic scopes. If we use too broad a scope, like "the Holocaust occurred from 1933-2025", then the claim becomes false. Right?
I think most people claiming a genocide is occurring are using a broad scope, like the conflict in Gaza since Oct 7 (if not something even broader), so it seems appropriate to look at the population change within that time period.
OTOH noone is claiming a genocide of Jews occurred from 1933-2025, so it wouldn't make sense to look at population change for that entire period.
The definition of the term genocide doesn't mention net population decrease - or in fact any population decrease at all. I think I've demonstrated why it can't possibly include such a requirement. The way I did so involves, exactly as you imply, assuming that the holocaust was a genocide. Then I show how such a requirement would contradict that assumption.
This is both categorically false and completely irrelevant.
The first claim is that genocide has been happening since 1948, the second claim is that it has increased in intensity in the last two years, both claims can be completely dismissed as fabrications by simply looking at the population growth of the nation that is supposedly being killed.
I honestly don’t know why you would bring up the fact that the Jewish population is climbing after the eponymous genocide was attempted.
The point is that genocide has to do with deliberately killing people with the goal of destroying their people or culture. Hitler failed at destroying the jewish culture, does that mean he wasn't a genocidist? Whether an attempted genocide is successful does not alter that it is a genocide, population growth numbers are irrelevant.
The term Genocide was specifically coined to refer to what happened to the Jews in WWII, its meaning doesn’t change to fit your own hateful ideology.
Population numbers are very relevant as are the intentions, actions, and policies. The only people talking about and actually attempting to commit genocide are the Arab/Muslim colonists who have been attempting to colonize and genocide the native people for over 500 years. Most recently last week in southern Syria, before that was 2 months ago in western Syria, but before that obviously Oct 7th. Due in no small part to the IDF all these attempts have failed, but until the colonists either go back to the Arabian peninsula, where they came from or at the very least stop trying to kill their neighbors there will no peace.
In his book Ma'na al-Nakba (The Meaning of the Disaster), Constantin Zureiq described the Arab defeat not just as a military loss, but as a civilizational setback. He believed the Arab states had been unprepared, disorganized, and overconfident, and that their failure to prevent the establishment of Israel revealed deeper problems in Arab society—like a lack of modern institutions, unity, and strategic thinking.
i.e the failure to prevent Israel existing.
From the River to the sea Palestine will be Arab indeed
Answer: a war of genocide and extermination attempted by 6+ Arab/muslim majority states against the nascent nation of Israel, fortunately for all involved they completely failed and in fact ended up losing land. While they did succeed in ethnically cleansing the Jews from any land that did end up under Jordan and Egyptian occupation, and they did expel (ie ethnically cleanse) Jews from most Muslim majority countries, they failed in their overarching goal of finishing Hitler’s work of exterminating all Jews.
Certain morally degenerate groups see this failure (of killing all Jews) as an absolute catastrophe and thus name it the Nakhba.
It’s hard to believe anyone can manage the mental gymnastics required to genuinely believe what you’ve just written, yet there it is.
The irony is that the only ones taking notes from Hitler’s playbook are Netanyahu and the leaders who came before him. Justifying their actions has become the modern-day equivalent of “just following orders.”
You’re not the first person in history to blame the joos for all the world’s ills and unfortunately you probably won’t be the last. But hopefully here on HN such rhetoric will be unwelcome.
Nothing I wrote is untrue or even remotely eye opening. It’s all just plain facts, that the Palestinians themselves admit as supported by the sibling comment quoting from a book written by one of them.
“Modern-day Israel caused the deaths and displacement of hundreds of thousands who had lived there for centuries, all so a group exiled 400 years earlier could barge in, kill the occupants, and drive out the survivors.”
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