> What does this even mean? What do you mean by "civilize"?
Teach them not to gas millions of people, that kind of thing. Nothing outrageous or anything.
> Russia is currently conducting a genocide over in Ukraine, for example by kidnapping children and bringing them over to Russia and beyond, for example to North Korea.
Ukrainian casualties are nothing like what Germany was inflicting on people. The latter rises to the standard. The former perhaps not.
To be honest, at first I thought we had to help a European country being invaded by Russia, but over time I've realized that Europeans mostly don't want us there. This is an internal affair for them. Some Europeans killing other Europeans. If it gets to the millions of civilians dead, then yeah they've fallen back into their atavistic ways and we have to go clean up again. But otherwise you kind of have to let Europeans be Europeans.
Blowing up their pipeline to get them to help themselves was unnecessary. If they don't want to help, they don't have to. It's up to them. We've got stuff to deal with. And they don't appreciate it anyway. They primarily treat the US as some kind of pinata to pop out money and weapons any time they decide to go kill each other.
> Ukrainian casualties are nothing like what Germany was inflicting on people. The latter rises to the standard. The former perhaps not.
The UN convention on prevention of genocide doesn't have any victim threshold for what counts as genocide.
> To be honest, at first I thought we had to help a European country being invaded by Russia, but over time I've realized that Europeans mostly don't want us there
Anyone using "Europeans" to broadly paint a whole continent with a single brush as expressing a singular opinion is at best extremely misinformed, at worst...
Anyways, Ukrainians very much want American support. And have been providing invaluable information on exactly how the Russians work and think in exchange for it.
In most EU member states, the majority of people, wanted US and EU side by side helping Ukraine. After all, most of those countries sent soldiers to help US kill a bunch of Iraqis, wouldn't it be nice to do it for a good cause for a change? Of course, the ~20-30-40% of Russophiles in multiple Central and Eastern European countries (like Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia, etc) didn't want that, they wanted their "brothers" to win. But they're mostly irrelevant, and mostly dying off.
That's also why it's stupid to paint any war as just "it's just Europeans killing Europeans or just Africans killing Africans". How does that change anything about the war, or its casualties? Was Srebrenica not a genocide that merited being stopped just because both were Balkan peoples? Does the war in Sudan deserve no attention because it's just Africans?
But Trump and Vance have completely changed how Europeans see the US. Now everyone knows that they're no longer a partner. There is no going back on this.
> Trump and Vance have completely changed how Europeans see the US. Now everyone knows that they're no longer a partner. There is no going back on this.
The quietly released (no fanfare) 2025 National Security Strategy (NSS) of the United States of America that dropped last night explicitly steers the US away from traditional European allies and embraces Russia.
> But Trump and Vance have completely changed how Europeans see the US. Now everyone knows that they're no longer a partner. There is no going back on this.
Exactly. Europeans believe we are not partners any more and that we never will be. There’s really no reason for us to send anything to Ukraine. When we were partners it made sense but as you point out, Europeans don’t believe that’s the case. So I think it’s time to move on and stop trying to force an alliance that doesn’t want to be together.
We should disband NATO and adjust to the new world order where Europe and the US are not allies, just participants in a multipolar world. If Europeans want to fight Europeans, we should let them work it out.
It’s not our business and they don’t want us in it. The allies we pick should be ones who want to be allied with us. America lost four hundred thousand men for your last internal conflict. We requested and got a token few thousand men over all the times we needed you. The debt will remain unpaid. And that’s okay.
You don’t want us and we don’t want you. It’s time to get a divorce.
Teach them not to gas millions of people, that kind of thing. Nothing outrageous or anything.
> Russia is currently conducting a genocide over in Ukraine, for example by kidnapping children and bringing them over to Russia and beyond, for example to North Korea.
Ukrainian casualties are nothing like what Germany was inflicting on people. The latter rises to the standard. The former perhaps not.
To be honest, at first I thought we had to help a European country being invaded by Russia, but over time I've realized that Europeans mostly don't want us there. This is an internal affair for them. Some Europeans killing other Europeans. If it gets to the millions of civilians dead, then yeah they've fallen back into their atavistic ways and we have to go clean up again. But otherwise you kind of have to let Europeans be Europeans.
Blowing up their pipeline to get them to help themselves was unnecessary. If they don't want to help, they don't have to. It's up to them. We've got stuff to deal with. And they don't appreciate it anyway. They primarily treat the US as some kind of pinata to pop out money and weapons any time they decide to go kill each other.